Last night I was indirectly invited to a World Ventures seminar. It's a multi-level marketing (MLM) company that offers two ways to make money. Once you sign up as a "Travel consultant", you have a website like YTB, Expedia or any other travel booking site. If people book their travel through your site, you will make a commission. The second method of making money is to get people to sign up as "Travel consultants" under you thereby creating a pyramid, network or downline for yourself. The other product they offer is a paid membership to DreamTrips, a service that is supposed to get you discounted travel at amazingly low rates. There are guys in the company making $2.4 million a year, supposedly.
Sounds too good to be true? After doing some research on the company on Google and Yahoo, I found forums of people discussing World Ventures. All of the sponsored search results refer to this company as a scam. Digging deeper, I found that the founders of this company were all top performers in Pre-Paid Legal and YTB (Your Travel Business) MLM companies. YTB was in the news recently for being a scam and owing their reps a lot of money. Pre-Paid Legal had a lot of buzz around 2003 and since has died down a lot.
I have always been skeptical of pyramid schemes and the only product I'm interested in is the discounted travel, but even that seems possible without the paid membership.
Jeff Johnston, a former professional golfer was the speaker at the presentation last night. A 26 year-old Carlos Rogers was also mentioned. These guys are travelling and putting on these seminars with their top producers to keep it going.
Summary: The founders of World Ventures LLC are Wayne Nugent, Dan Stammen and Mike Azcue, all of whom were top producers for Pre-Paid Legal, YTB and other MLM companies. They learn the business, the ins and outs and form a network and decide why will they work for the guy up there when they can break off and form their own MLM company. Then, this company really has no product and tries to sell people the dream that they can travel to "hot spots" around the world for pennies on the dollar. The reason they're able to negotiate these deals with cruise lines is because they are getting group discounts during the lowest possible seasons for travel to these destinations. It has been proven that you will NOT make money from your own travel site. How will your non-appealing, identical to all the other idiots site compete with Expedia, Travelocity and Orbitz. The only way to make money is to sign people up to become "travel consultants". These MLM companies thrive on finding a few really good salesmen that really portray their belief in a product. Every wanna-be that signs up thinks they can be like these super salesmen and pays thousands to attend leadership conferences and "Accelerated Training" seminars in hopes that they can grow their pyramid networks.
Some of the most successful companies are really selling hope, disguised as a product or service.
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WorldVentures profits off of their admitted 70% failure rate. Their high pressure sales tactics are used to intimidate people into making a rash decision.
Slides such as "Momentum" are displayed and verbal misrepresentations are made regarding the status of the company and the immediate potential earnings...
Other sales tactics such as the slide dipicting "YOU" out to the left and "BOB" in your place in the pyramid therefore, "BOB" is going to get all the profits "YOU" missed out on because you didn't sign right then and there- is another example of misleading the prospect...
Only handing the recruitee a 2 page contract (and in some cases only 1 of the 2 pages) and verbally telling the recruitees "It's just a standard contract". Yet, the 2 page contract contains stipulations that the recruitee agrees to abide by a Detailed Compensation Plan and Policies & Procedures, neither of which were provided to recruitee to read/review, nor were those agreements even verbally disclosed...
Utilizing misleading sales techniques from companies the FTC shut down for deceptive practices, i.e. "MOMENTUM"... (Trek Alliance used the same tactic)
Omitting and deceiving the public of the involvement WV executives truly had with "companies with less than stellar reputations"... Marc Accetta's true involvement with Equinox and Trek Alliance
Training new reps to use deceptive tactics when inviting prospects to meetings "Be in a hurry", "Keep from explaining"...
I personally witnessed a WV Representative state they are claiming certain tax deductions, in an attempt to lead prospective recruitees into believing they too could get said tax deductions by being a WV rep, when in fact those particular deductions he stated he was claiming are not allowable AT ALL per IRS regulations (confirmed by my attorney)...
I also personally received an email from a WorldVentures rep stating she had "gotten all her money back" that she originally invested in becoming a WV rep through WV profits. Further investigation revealed she actually had a several hundred dollar loss...
In my world, these tactics are unethical, and in some cases - even illegal. Preying on people's emotions, exploiting their trust, and sending them away with a financial loss and a sense of shame through a feeling of failure.
Couple that with the high unemployment rate right now, a perfect breeding ground for more victims, victims desperate and willing to accept just about anything they are told just so for a glimpse of hope that they can provide for their family.
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I can not speak for the rest of people out there but as for me personally... I have met the people involved with World Ventures. I have made my money back and then some within two months. I have done what is needed to do in order to become successful. We tell people that this is NOT a get rich quick scheme. You have to work at it and please, this is not a PYRAMID. A true pyramid makes commission on recruiting people, WV does not. A true pyramid does not allow people below you to make as much or more than the person above. You are in control here. Best of all I work with a team of people. Once you plug in you become part of a family. No one fights for people and we take care of each other.
We do admit 70.2% did not receive any income. We say this because we don't want to give anyone a false impression. This IS a business. Don't expect to jump on board and make lots of money doing nothing. It does not work that way. Those people did not take it serious enough. If you decide to open your own business, and don't put the time into building it. Then you won't have one. This is no different. A company decides to be honest and gets shot down for it? When was the last time a company actually disclosed this information? Think about that.
Yes we do get people to show up without saying a word about what it is. WHY??? Because I won't do it justice. I can not explain it in a few sentences. If I try I will leave them with the idea that this is not what it TRULY is. When was the last time you sat with someone going over a company's business model in a few sentences. It doesn't happen. I have had people thank me for getting them there. Reps that end up joining later after someone told them too much, were not happy with the inviter for not inviting them the right way.
The "4 Phases of Growth" slide is there to show you where the company is positioned at this time. Also to demonstrate what phases a company goes through before they are successful. DO we guarantee "Momentum." NO we don't. We simply say that if we do go through the momentum, that it can be very lucrative vs. getting in at the top. Have you ever heard of getting in at the ground floor? There is no point investing in Apple stock now. You should have done that 20 years ago when no one knew who they were. In case you didn't know, Travel is an 8 Trillion dollar industry. The LARGEST in the world. Bigger than #2 Food, #3 Oil/Gas #4 Pharmaceuticals. ALL PUT TOGETHER. When you have the right product at the right time. Don't you think something good might come out of it?
Yes we do have a "BOB" slide, but it's hypothetical and never states that you WILL lose out. Simply shows how the company works, and you NEVER KNOW who will show up under you.
Contract? What contract? I can cancel any time and not pay a fee for doing so. We are not a cell phone company. If WV wanted your money they would lock you in like a cell company or a gym membership.
Most of the stuff on the app tells you your rights to cancel. What those rights are in certain states. This is like any business. It is going to protect itself from misrepresenting representatives. So if someone is doing something they are not suppose to they can be terminated and barred from representing WV in any way. Don't take my word for it. Read it yourself.
Yes Mike Azcue and other top dogs were involved with those companies. They tried to tell them how they could run it better. They didn't listen. Now they wish they had. Where are they now? If you are thinking about doing World Ventures then you need to decide for yourself. Remember that there are people out there that are not very happy with the fact that these guys are successful.
THINK for yourself. Don't believe me or any of the people out there. Do your own homework.
By the way Better Business Bureau rated WV an A- Check it for your self.
@ Informed:
I did check it out. World Ventures is does not have BBB accreditation.
From the BBB:
"Complaints are regarding misrepresentation of the promised savings on travel, slow or non delivery of promised refunds and dissatisfaction with customer service. Specifically, customers complain that paying the company fee and following the company business model does not provide promised savings as stated by company representatives. The company resolves complaints by offering refunds or refering to the agreement for explanation. However, customers complain that the refund was delayed or not received. Additionally, customers indicate that they have difficulty contacting the company."
They have 55 complaints against them.
The A- rating is because of the length of time the underlying travel business has been in existence.
YES...do get informed and follow the link to the real BBB report and don't just swallow what they are serving up on World Venture websites.
http://www.bbb.org/dallas/business-reviews/multi-level-selling-companies/world-ventures-in-plano-tx-90030075
Thanks for a balanced view of this latest scam. Too bad I had to wade through 10 pages of Google search findings to get to the truth.
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I find this very interesting. The best education we could provide is that we are responsible for our own future. I have run several multi million dollar sales organizations. It is true of the 80/20 rule, 80% of business is done by 20%. You have the leaders, you have the average. It is always easy for the ones who actually didn't try heir best. They got into something and failed a few times, then quit to place blame on the company or opportunity. I have been part of World Ventures for several years, my team has grown into the hundreds, I have saved on hotels booked through my own web site, I have recieved commissions off my site, saved on the tax deductions that are afforded me by having a home based business as allowed by the IRS. I have done what I supposed to do to get the results. And yes, I failed along the way to get there. The difference was I was willing to look in the mirror to see the real problem and solution, ME. "If it is meant to be it is up to me." Our country has created great leaders and great companies. However no great business or person has every done anything significant without difficulty, failure and yes disappointing someone. Babe Ruth was remembered for his homeruns not his strikeouts. Although the strike outs out numbered the homeruns. He just didn't give up or blame his team for his strike outs. If World Ventures/Rovia was a scam, why would we have ex Senators, Fortune 500 Executives, Doctors, Attornies, one of the largest oldest retailers in the world, National Charities associate their name with the company. We have done more good in peoples lives than any company I have every seen. That is the problem with the web, there is no policing of the stories placed by ill informed people who want to blame there lack of willing to do the uncomfortable on the company instead of themself. Remember people hear what they want to hear to justify their current position in life. Thanks World Ventures for the good you Manifest in people lifes. Signed "The Smile Collector"
My friend brought me to one of the world venture meetings yesterday night without first explaining to me really what I was walking into. He had claimed it was a surprise.
Either way, I felt as if my friend was trying to take advantage of me. He needs to sign up members to avoid losing money. He tricked me to make 20 dollars.
In and of itself that's not too bad, I'm a grown up. I can say no and forget about it. It's the fact that to be successful, others have to fail. You won't be directly in contact with the people you're trying to feed off of but they're people just the same. It's parasitic. It's not productive. It's selfish and stupid.
You're just juggling money around and hoping that you can grab enough of other people's money to come out on top. Yeah, you could argue that it's not a scam. You do have to work to be successful. You have to work to take money from other people. I don't understand how the members of this could be so careless.
Their is alot of technically speaking rules when it comes to them. Like I have to invite friends but just tell them it's something cool not say anything about what we are doing. Not lying or breaking any rules but if I can't be upfront and be like this is what we are doing something is wrong. They aren't technically breaking any laws but their are grey areas it's not a traditional pyramid scheme but a very high tech one. When our presenter said don't explain it to anyone you don't have to know how it works for it to work and their is alot on the Internet but consider the source they were red flags for me. This guys are so so smart and it's so easy to believe them and get trapped. Your not technically breaking the law but it's sketchy
Well why do u think it is that they tell you not to tell your friends or family what it is? Cause NM have a bad rap.
Besides, you don't wanna trick your friends to see you, you could just ask them to see you just to spend time with you and then bring it up after a meal or coffee or tea, etc.
Just keep trying and keep doing you NM studies and stay on course. Don't waiver or let anyone's opinion matter cause you're doing something that has tremendous growth.
If the author of this article stated that the founders of WV are top earner of their old NM companies, don't you think it's wise to follow their leadership and advise?
Imagine if Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird started their own Basketball NM company... would people follow? OFCOURSE!!!
Why? Cause of their PUBLIC SUCCESS. That's they key word.
Look, we've witnessed that success. So we'd join cause we'd wanna lear from them (assuming basketball is your thing).
But it's bigger than just promoting the product and looking for new people to grow with. It's about PROMOTING YOURSELF. If you can have an unshakable character that doesn't let opinions matter then I know people will join you and your team.
There's so much more to talk about but that's all I'll mention today. Have fun on your WV Journey!
Take ownership for your own failures. it is not the system but the individuals effort and how try conduct themselves. By the way: pampered chef, Avon, Scentcy, and more are network marketing companies. Some are owned by WARREN BUFFET and Donald Trump. Lastly, for all of you whom seem to know so much. Ernst & Young, the second largest auditing firm in the world, found everything on the level and nominated the founders as entreprenters of the year. Stop listening to the lazy, whiners, know it all and find some true facts from professional sources.
Wow!! Some people are just dumb WORLDVENTURES IS REAL!!! the person who wrote this blog is a scam, he is scamming himself and others who believe him out of something that is going to be bigger then Microsoft. Look where he did his research.... Google and Yahoo... Love both of those sites but it is well know that anyone can write on it..KINDA LIKE THE BATHROOM WALL... WV is changing my life and many of other lives and if you dont get it dont hate on it, its cool its not for everyone.
I am not a member but was recently pitched the opportunity to become one. I have a business analyst background and was insulted that this person would even consider me as a lead. For the company to make a profit they must sell a product; low cost trips. Ok i grasp that. But the only way for a rep to make money is to get other paying members. How is this sustainable long term? The business' profit center is memberships, with close to 70% failing to make their fees back. That is terrible! This means that not only are members not making the so called big bucks but they can not even get enough benefit out of the low cost trips to justify the membership fee. Historical data is a great thing. The numbers do not lie.
If there was enough demand for these bulk rate trips why wouldn't a reputable company like Expedia be purchasing them, slap on a small mark up and sell them like the other 99% of goods and services consumers buy?
I believe the real product for sale is hope of financial freedom, and it is unethical, but legitimate. Put the same effort into any other small business of your choice and with the right resources you will succeed in an ethical manner.
In the business and investing world one of the first concepts a good investor learns is that if you are hearing about a high returning opportunity its already too late. Examples: Facebook, Google, Youtube, and Microsoft just to name a few. With all of the information available on this company, it is not new, it is not explosive. If it were it would be too late, its just the way it is. Being in the right place at the right time does not come from a google search. It comes from being roomates with Mark Zuckerberg or someone with a new out of this world concept. It is not planned, and is not talked about in presentations.
Im done ranting here. I strongly advise taking the time and money you are/ might be putting into this company and using toward your passion. There is no such thing as a free meal.
All a waste of money and time I know a family been pushing this crap for 3 years...and I can smell out the WV marketing is "propaganda" machine.When you know and understand the accounting/the numbers(the language of business) which 99.9% of the recruits do not know nor understand.
wouldn't trust anything that isn't accredited by the BBB. only saying..
The biggest scam is the 9 to 5 job, (according to Donald Trump and many others) but people have been conditioned(like sheep) to think it is the only way becasuse that is the way the parasitic corporate culture wants them to think so they can keep people in economic slavery.
Donald Trump, Warren Buffet and the creator of Fruit of the Loom are all involved in this business model now, which top economists, like Paul Zane Pilzer, are predicting will be 'the' business model of the 21st century.
Newtork Marketing allows average people to take back their power and not give it away to large company where only a few at the top make any real money and everyone else barely keeps their head above water.
Wake up people, there is no longer any security in the 9 to 5 job. Furthermore, it is disrespectful of people's dignity; you deserve to be treated like an adult instead of having to 'ask permission' like a little child, to take off a day and do something important to you, like being with your own kids.
Not only that, having a home based business is the ONLY way most people are going to be able to take advantage of the tax deductions the very companies they work for are getting every year.
My 2 cents on WV
http://worldventureshappy.blogspot.com
We can keep accusing network marketing companies to be fraud or as a scam. But seriously, those who make money in network marketing, online marketing etc, are people with a driving force of positivity. Its not easy I know. Thats why there is a thing called teamwork. These guys keep highly motivated people around them and keep motivating each other and attending seminars. I searched through blogs and videos before I joined WV. It gets simple and clearer. Those who quit obviously complained and those who didnt were working real hard. You have to take this business serious. Its really like a franchise. You shouldnt complain if a franchised fast food outlet did not fetch you enough money. That is because you did not market it well. Thats the reason for failure here. IT is a tough but very rewarding business. It is all about personal branding. If someone looks up to you, they will listen to what you have to say. If they feel that you arent transparent or sees you as a salesman trying to close them, they will shut off.
WV stands out among other Network marketing companies because you get to travel while striving to make that passive income. You dont have to work so hard till you become successful to start travelling. Besides, stop listening to others and what they are complaining about. Sit down trust yourself and get to the bottom of it to know the full story. Thats all folks... and im heading for south korea soon with travel bucks from WV and yes, im not a millionaire...yet!
-ThankGod IM Alive(TGIMA)
A NEW INSPIRED MEMBER REPOST!!!! I can not speak for the rest of people out there but as for me personally... I have met the people involved with World Ventures. I have made my money back and then some within two months. I have done what is needed to do in order to become successful. We tell people that this is NOT a get rich quick scheme. You have to work at it and please, this is not a PYRAMID. A true pyramid makes commission on recruiting people, WV does not. A true pyramid does not allow people below you to make as much or more than the person above. You are in control here. Best of all I work with a team of people. Once you plug in you become part of a family. No one fights for people and we take care of each other.
We do admit 70.2% did not receive any income. We say this because we don't want to give anyone a false impression. This IS a business. Don't expect to jump on board and make lots of money doing nothing. It does not work that way. Those people did not take it serious enough. If you decide to open your own business, and don't put the time into building it. Then you won't have one. This is no different. A company decides to be honest and gets shot down for it? When was the last time a company actually disclosed this information? Think about that.
Yes we do get people to show up without saying a word about what it is. WHY??? Because I won't do it justice. I can not explain it in a few sentences. If I try I will leave them with the idea that this is not what it TRULY is. When was the last time you sat with someone going over a company's business model in a few sentences. It doesn't happen. I have had people thank me for getting them there. Reps that end up joining later after someone told them too much, were not happy with the inviter for not inviting them the right way.
The "4 Phases of Growth" slide is there to show you where the company is positioned at this time. Also to demonstrate what phases a company goes through before they are successful. DO we guarantee "Momentum." NO we don't. We simply say that if we do go through the momentum, that it can be very lucrative vs. getting in at the top. Have you ever heard of getting in at the ground floor? There is no point investing in Apple stock now. You should have done that 20 years ago when no one knew who they were. In case you didn't know, Travel is an 8 Trillion dollar industry. The LARGEST in the world. Bigger than #2 Food, #3 Oil/Gas #4 Pharmaceuticals. ALL PUT TOGETHER. When you have the right product at the right time. Don't you think something good might come out of it?
Yes we do have a "BOB" slide, but it's hypothetical and never states that you WILL lose out. Simply shows how the company works, and you NEVER KNOW who will show up under you.
Contract? What contract? I can cancel any time and not pay a fee for doing so. We are not a cell phone company. If WV wanted your money they would lock you in like a cell company or a gym membership.
Most of the stuff on the app tells you your rights to cancel. What those rights are in certain states. This is like any business. It is going to protect itself from misrepresenting representatives. So if someone is doing something they are not suppose to they can be terminated and barred from representing WV in any way. Don't take my word for it. Read it yourself.
Yes Mike Azcue and other top dogs were involved with those companies. They tried to tell them how they could run it better. They didn't listen. Now they wish they had. Where are they now? If you are thinking about doing World Ventures then you need to decide for yourself. Remember that there are people out there that are not very happy with the fact that these guys are successful.
THINK for yourself. Don't believe me or any of the people out there. Do your own homework.
By the way Better Business Bureau rated WV an A- Check it for your self.
Hahaa you guys are great.....this original poster is bored and uneducated...so many good changes and updates so far this year alone.....many things have improved in 8 years...why would you read info. And statistics on a 1980 f150 if you wanted to purchase a 2013? Update yourselves people...come out from the Rock, get outside your bubble BC I will make a living..... living ....from what I did in the beginning! Made all my money back...don't attend all training events and still in the positive...close to making a residual income...you don't know what that is look it up! Mary Kay has pink Cadillacs, how many of those do you see today.....lol.....right. We have silver BMW and will post mine here soon when I get it!
Haters...hate....that's why I do so good.....they motivate me to do better...look back at this thread in 10 years....hahaa. just saying
networkmarketing or mlm or private franchising or whatever you wanna call it is the future for average joe , a lot of people still don't recognize that , they still live with an 8am-4pm employee mentality , that you can't get out of their heads so fast...
for the people who do see the chance the most important thing is doing the due diligence to check out the right program , I wasted a lot of time and money until I found my program that I am comfortable with , its not World Venture , ... I tried WV but stopped because it has too many negative things going ... I found a program in the big ticket arena , its way more lucrative and rewarding , ... people just think about it , the effort you put in for marketing is and always will be the same , no matter if you have $25 payout a $47 payout , if you have to build a downline like in WV or if you have a $3000 payout ... so its just smart to go with the big ticket program ... and the opinion that people have no money for those big ticket program is just a false assumption , there are enough people who are willing to join those programs !!
if somebody is interested I am willing to give more info on that ... hekmrei at gmail
My personal opinion. I'll keep this short.
I am a WV rep as we speak. I've worked in a few other MLM companies and what I have learned is that a pyramid scheme (by law as well) is when a company recruits, but has no product or service to offer/sell and profit based on the of tacking these naive people looking to diversify their income and perhaps help their family. (I'm glass I can educate you, that's out of the way now).
World Ventures proud themselves not just on their search engines for booking hotel, flight, rental, etc., which doesn't differ much our at all from any regular free site, but, rather, they proud themselves on preset vacation packages which is truly a budget saver for singles and families. I've been on a few trips myself and since I was still skeptical, even after signing up for it, I compared it side by side with as many travel sites as I know down to every specific detail and none of them came close. Some even having a contrast of $600+.
With every MLM company you hear about or take interest in, look up the negative, like this one, but do your homework because it may not have worked for some people for many reasons, they will in turn call it a scheme/scam not knowing what the definition of it truly in.
As pointed out on a post above, World Ventures will even talk you that 70%+ of the reps don't profit from it financially, and a lot of them is because they don't want to, they will sign up just for the vacation packages while others will treat it more like a business.
It is a legitimate scam...in other words a legal scam. Look at it like a food chain. If you are lower on the food chain you eat shrubs, and if you are higher you eat barbeque. Here's my thumb rule; if you feel sth ain't right, definitely sth ain't right. Dont rush to lose your hard earned dime to someone whose job is to trap your sweat. They need you more than you need them coz they are already trapped (yet they preach financial freedom). Look at it this way, if we all quit our jobs as some 'successfuls' purportedly did, who will finance them. Who will pay the monthly subscriptions for them to book vacations in bulk? They rely on your waged/ salaried dime (which they apparently quit) but they dont tell you that. Run my son!
Let's think about this for a minute. WV has a 70% "failure" rate. Let's look at other failure rates for other pyramid schemes.
1. Amway - Average distributor makes $40/month and only 50% of employees make it to the basic level of direct distributor.
2. Excel Communications - In 1995, they admitted that 48% of all customers drop out of the program.
3. Melaleuca - They reported a 5.5% drop out rate every month, about 60% per year.
4. NuSkin - 50 to 70% dropout rate yearly.
So, World Ventures isn't a pyramid scheme huh? Think again. Schemes like this make money off of people quitting.
If there are people that worked the system, made money, and have bank statements, or check stubs to prove it, then that's all the proof you need for any multilevel business opportunity. For those of you who are skeptics,broke, and hate your jobs, taking a risk may be what you need to do to get out of your situation. All successful people have taken some type of risk in order to be where they are today, not by complaining and murmuring but by putting a plan in action. You don't get success overnight unless you are fortunate enough to win the lottery. In other words it takes HARD work and DEDICATION in anything that you are trying to accomplish. I work for WFG. Go to www.nae2013.com and email me at juanitasmithwfg@gmail.com if interested in learning more about the financial industry.
Been reading all these comments and am very confused. can somebody please convince me with some solid truth in regards to World Venture.
LOL this, AND you guys are funny, here's why--if ANY of you majored in Business you're familiar with "The Corporate Pyramid" if you aren't just look that up FIRST, then come back to this post. On and I've heard that WV have won awards for Best Travel Club 2013, Best Booking Engine 2013, and 2012 beating out all of your favorites Orbitz, Expedia, Hotwire, Priceline. Bottom line find a member and just GO on a trip for yourself and decide from there. If you like it, join, if not, then don't. Not everyone likes the same thing, I don't like steak but does that mean that nobody else should like it? I don't like chocolate, does that mean now you don't like it, or should STOP liking it? For me, I went on a trip first---then I joined. I did my own research NOT Google searches LOL I see complaints about Wal-Mart all the time, and McDonalds but I still go there. (smile)
Most People that say World Ventures is a "Pyramid Scheme" are not dumb just uneducated on the buisness model. Those people are just so conditioned to working a regular 9-5 and doing nothing at work and receiving a "guaranteed" Pay check at the end of the week. The problem is Those people are lazy and think because they sign up that they will get paid just like at work for doing absoultley nothing! Yes our 80% of people NOT making money is because we are a Travel company! People sign up to TRAVEL! When you go to BJ's you just want to buy your products NOT refer members! The definition of a Pyramid scheme is the exchange of money for no service of product what so ever! Income is not guaranteed everything depends on your efforts, it works just like the gym; you can't expect result in a gym just by signing up and going 1 week out of the year! Wake up guys! Just think of all the people you know...... How many are lazy????? ABOUT 80% OF THEM! Trust me it works I've mad more money in this than I've invested. You just have to be willing to work! Thats it! hope this made some clarity in a few of your minds!
Hello everyone,
I learned a lot from your comments.
I wonder what kind of the travel services which World Ventures provides? I found little info about travel products; instead, lost of the way of being a representative.
Thanks.
DON'T ever VENTURE into something with this company!!!! Seriously, don't! I was entertaining the idea on 1/21/14 to join in February and before I knew it... An hour after leaving a luncheon my cc was charged $362!!! Ridiculous!!! So, I called and notified the corp office on 1/22/14 that I did not want a membership and wanted my refund. There's an entire process.... You actually have to send an email telling them you want your refund??? No, I'm just going to let you charge my card and keep my money?? As of today, 1/31/14, I have called them twice, requested my refund 4 times, emailed everyone possible including the CEO and still no refund!!!! SHADY COMPANY - BUYERS BEWARE
I listened to the Workd Ventures pitch last night and was intrigued when the presenter first started. Then as I listened and started discerning the information based on my travel in the past 10 years I heard how the company has signed agreements or purchased products from other travel sources. I won't mention names in fear I will get the companies wrong. The World Ventures presenter claimed they are different than a timeshare because people do not pay a large up-front sign up fee. However, the World Ventures presenter informed the listeners the company has partnered with a time share company to allow travelers the opportunity to utilize under booked timeshare locations. Bottom line, they offer the same service as a large number of internet travel companies.
If you take a look at YouTube you will find a number of videos that refute World Ventures is not a scam. Some videos go on to point out the difference between World Ventures and similar companies. Specifically, the presenters who may be World Ventures representatives highlight the difference between a pyramid structure and the World Ventures structure.
I have asked the representative in my area for a copy of the companies prospectus.
"To determine whether a company is profitable, pay attention to indicators such as sales revenue, merchandise expense, operating charges and net income. All these elements are part of an income statement, also known as a statement of profit and loss". Finances & Taxes, Financial Statements
Key Indicators on a Financial Statement That a Company is Profitable by Marquis Codjia, Demand Media
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/key-indicators-financial-statement-company-profitable-18602.html
I was a member of WV for a while and haven't made any profit. I only lost money on the monthly fee. Which if you recruit about 4 or five people your fee stops. This psychologically manipulates the mind and becomes the motivation needed to push the members to recruit more people. This is similar to pushing off your fee on another person. The person that signed me up left me out in the cold. There was no direction given. I looked at those seminars as a way for the hosts to make money. Tricking the members into thinking they need to attend those for THOUSANDS of dollars is wrong. How the hell can members actually think WV gives a damn about them?! They only care about their money. If you cant push your product, to the point where you know that a person is down to their last, and has one shot to provide for their three kids and themselves...because their money would have better use somewhere else..ITS A SCAM. OF course the people with hundreds of hundreds of TEAM MEMBERS will say its lucrative because they managed to recruit other people blindly and make them think they would be a partnership when really they benefit off of how motivated they are. I am a very motivated person and it took me a long time to join WV until a close friend played the "how can you not TRUST me card" and i felt like i was obligated because we have been friends for many years. I did not even question what it was, like I should have. So, I hope someone sees my post and TAKE HEED...DONT JOIN!!.. I hope someone sees this and realizes that they could choose another way than to waste their money on this PYRAMID SCHEME ,, how can members say its not a pyramid when clearly everyone is making money off of each other. WV is a great concept but the way they are going about it ..is awful!!
Seems like a lot of different issues are being jumbled up here...let's see if we can sort some out.
WV may not be BBB accredited...but they DO have an A+ rating with the BBB. EVERY company that has ever existed has customer complaints. Seems to me that WV doesn't have nearly as many as I would expect and made every effort to satisfy the customers that did. I see this as a sign of good customer relations, not the opposite.
As for the complaint that 70% of people don't make much money...independent sales reps in the online marketing industry is actually about a 95% failure rate. Problem with having the flexibility to work when you want to is that...some people just don't. You DO actually have to work to make money.
Now let's get to the fees issue. Reps don't make money by recruiting other reps...they make money by selling the product, they get commissions on commissionable sales. Yes, a sales rep DOES have to recruit 4 people in order to have their monthly fee waived...but isn't that what you became a rep to do? And let's look at the fees associated with this venture.
In order to become a rep you have to pay the initial fee of $100 and a monthly maintenance fee of $11 (seems reasonable being as it costs money to establish and maintain your online account and develop tools and resources for you to use...it's a cost of doing business...all companies have costs.) $111 isn't a huge investment. I have shoes that cost that much. It's taking my family out for one meal to Buffalo Wild Wings. We can eat in that day, I don't mind cooking.
In order to become a DreamTrips member you pay the $200 + $55 monthly for the product itself.
While you SHOULD use the products that you are trying to sell to people...not only is it clearly stated that you DO NOT HAVE TO be a member to be a rep you don't have to be a rep to merely be a member. Your commissions are earned by selling the product ONLY...to KNOW the product, answer questions, have credibility with your customers...you should know what they are buying. That's just a no-brainer for any person who's been involved in sales.
How are you going to sell me a cell-phone if you don't even know how to turn one on?
As to the comment about terms and conditions not being given nor clearly stated...click the button in the back office & print them out...that's the first thing that I did.
As for those who object to recruiting and sales tactics being used...see also your terms and conditions. Yes, the company does suggest what is being said here...because you will have a lot more success showing someone a video presentation vs trying to talk them into something...HOWEVER...as long as your personal sales tactics are not misleading you are free to use any means which you feel comfortable with selling the product. Period. It is clearly stated in writing.
I know numerous people who have been on DreamTrips and they love it, had a great time. I was just looking at a weekend trip to Chicago (2 hours from me) at rates that you CAN'T find anywhere...I've been there without discounts...it's expensive!
If you have the right mindset and realistic expectations...I think it's a great company! If you're looking to get rich quick with no work involved or for a free ride...you're going to have problems no matter WHAT you do!
I'm not really seeing any legitimate and logical arguments against the company. I can think of several companies that leverage group bulk buying power and charge memberships, offer referral incentives, etc in the course of doing business. It's not exactly a new idea.
One more thing that I can say is that if you joined WV and you truly wanted/NEEDED to make it work and you didn't have a mentor/team that supported you and taught you how...I am truly sorry for what you went through. I really am, I've been there and it's frustrating. :( The most important thing when joining any business venture is that your success is going to be greatly impacted by your support structure.
EVERYWHERE you look...on the internet and off...you see ads that people make commissions off of for getting you to buy, getting you to do some specific action, visit their site, "like" their page. We're inundated with marketing of all types at all times.
Real estate agents, travel agents, insurance agents...all sales positions that have to pay to be members and make their money based upon commissionable sales from leads they have to generate from a variety of means.
See this as one of those...where offline and online lead generations and tactics are to be utilized...it's not as difficult to grasp it in that perspective.
There is a lot of hype about "Pyramid Schemes"...and the truly shady ones are unacceptable. There's a difference in a pyramid scam and a commission and referral structure, though. A lot of brick and mortar companies utilize these in there normal course of business and we don't even think twice about it. Sometimes you just have to look outside of the social programming.
What a moron
If you think it's a good idea to try working for a company where .01% of the employees make a living wage, well then you are a complete moron. If you disagree you're also a complete moron. It's a scam you can have a REAL travel agent set up much better travel packages for you.
I've had a really good friend trying to shove this down my throat for years now. There's no saying no to WV. At the time she started I was a working single mom with 2 kids to support. Finally I did my own research and not what she was telling to look up or links that she would send me. The first thing I found out is that WV is almost cult like. They turn their members into fanatics. Selling them a dream. After I educated my self on my own, I presented my findings to this friend and what I got was "I can't believe you don't trust me" . That hurt since I would trust her with the most precious things in my life. My children. This company teaches it's members to exploit relationships. Anyone with good morals and ethics would not try to take anyone's hard earned money, or play on feelings of anyone. So for anyone thinking of joining please do the research and educate your self. I mean you will have to sort through many pages since WV is very good at hiding bad or negative feed back/ publicity but please take the time before jumping head first.
The Bottom line is the product is a fraud. I've seen better rates on a regular basis. The fact that people are arguing whether it's all about the tactics involved just kinda proves the brainwashing. Why would a good business person put in work and effort to sell a false promise. I'd rather spend this time teaching them how and when to search for cheap deals on travel. World venture...dream trips.... Are false... Maybe dream hotels would be more like it. But the product is just no good.... Simple as that. I signed up after saying no a couple times. You can get your money back.... You have two weeks. But while I was investigating. It became obvious that the whole site was a waste of time. No deals. I every case I did my own booking and saved more from 300 to 500... Up to 1500 more... Why would it matter how much effort a rep puts in if the product is this fraudulent? And don't expect reimbursement when you find a deal cheaper like they say.... Itineraries need to match.... Match being key word here.... Old scheme here.... Only agencies get to book at these times and date combos... So you'll never find a complete match of itineraries..... Need a new hobby.... Find a good workout. It with pay better dividends than this joke.... And you'll make better friends lose less.
Hi my name is Jeremy from South Africa. i personally made my money back in 1 month and have made more than 3 times the profit in the following 2 months.. This business like every other business on this planet depends on the effort you put in.. 80% of new businesses fail.. Are those scams too?
This is no get rich quick scheme and results are a direct factor of effort.. keep talking smack because we gonna keep building this legacy with or without you dreamstealers
Bon Voyage
Not one to comment or rant about anything. Got hold of this link from someone who I shared the WV opportunity with. I read all of the comments because I love hearing what people have to say, whether good or bad. It is amusing to read the rants and bashing from supposed unhappy "former" reps and those who were invited to view the information but "were too smart" to join. To me it seems pretty obvious who is who from their grievances'. Notice that those who made negative remarks are from people claiming to have been reps who were "duped" into thinking they would get rich. Ha, ha, these are the people who usually dupe themselves and lash out at everyone else with blame. The tendency of a "lottery mentality" with a minimum wage work ethic is likely the cause of most of the discontent with these people. One guy says, 25 years old and a million in debt. He wrote all this nonsense and never mentioned where this debt came from. Certainly not from WV, where the start up fee for product and business is a one time fee that's less than most smart phones. When you have that little investment into a business the risk is small and therefore most will have a tendency to treat this as a hobby. Another guy said some B.S. about being involved and spending $17.000 after 3 years or some lie like that. He must have gone on A LOT of trips to spend that much. Being in that long and not being able to refer 4 to have your product and business fees waives says a lot about this persons effort. Even if you don't refer anyone and pay $65 a month to maintain your websites and membership it's approximately $700 a year. However, each $1 you pay goes into a vacation "piggy bank" that you can use $650 at the end of the year to go on a trip. So, how do you lose this money? Even our trainings, which are NOT mandatory, are anywhere from $40 for a regional event to a couple of hundred bucks for an international event, not counting travel expenses. A couple of hundred bucks is actually a rip off for those giving the training, which is world-class and these guys could easily charge thousands and thousands for these motivational and training events. You are a LIAR and your statements are false. There were some great comments as well that were legitimate. People are a trip and if you are looking for something negative you will always find it no matter what you're looking for. Like those who declined to join the club already had a preconceived notion and were ready to say no regardless of what it was beforehand. One girl said something about trusting her friend with her life yet, before making this statement, said that she did NOT look at any links or credible information her FRIEND gave her but instead did her own "research" before coming to a conclusion. Seems to me like you did not trust this friend from the beginning. This is not for everyone and our motto is "fun, freedom, and fulfillment." If you are not having this as a rep then you are doing something wrong. Be a customer. How come no customers made complaints, only former reps? Bottom line, if I like pork, which I love, and I know you like a good pork sandwich as well, I will tell you where you can get the best pork if you are my friend or not. I don't care if you do or don't eat it. I've been there and know how well it's prepared and how tasty it is. If you are happy eating an inferior sandwich I will not lose any sleep if I tried to tell you. You will just have to find out for yourself.
People you need to be critical thinkers. Think and experience for yourself, not off other people's errors. People say bad things about companies when they make their silly mistakes. C'mon! Some of you need to read the book called "Beyond feelings".
World Ventures – Scam or Business
It has taken me a lot of random links to websites, blogs, and videos in order to fully understand what World Ventures is offering. Some say that any and all MLM’s are scams but this is not the case. There are many successful MLM’s available (check out DirectSellingNews and MLM Rankings).
Yes, you see well-known companies; Avon, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, Amway, ViSalus, Nu Skin, Tupperware, and Primerica (these are the ones I primarily knew of – you may know others). The point here is that World Ventures is on the top of these lists as well along with others you or I may not know of. This doesn’t mean they are scams but they are MLM’s – not get rich quick schemes.
My take of World Ventures:
This company has a valid business service for those who are looking for travel options. There are many travel companies to choose from but each one requires the payment in full when you are booking.
So, why did I choose World Ventures?
I like to travel and it is nice to have another travel resource in the back pocket. So, I chose World Ventures in order to join others that have the same thoughts and views. This is an opportunity to build your own business while accessing remote locations around the world.
The tiers:
Here is the breakdown from a business/traveler mind…..
1. Traveler – if you are looking for discounted traveling that allows for you to build up your travel savings account at the same time than you can sign up for just the DreamVacations membership.
2. Entrepreneur – if you want to build your own company but don’t have the support team and large amounts of capital to make it successful than you can sign up to resell the ability to sell the Traveler
3. Both – now you are in my boat; if you are looking for both an opportunity to build the travel savings account for discounted travels and you want to break free from the everyday mundane job than you can sign up to do both
I have that support team of individuals that have the entrepreneurial mindset and whom want to travel the world. Not only are they assisting me but they could assist you as well.
Scam or Business:
World Ventures is a business opportunity for those who have the passion and energy to build their own future. This is like all other personally owned businesses in that you get-out-of-it-what-you-put-into-it. 8 out of 10 businesses fail (Forbes, 2013)… it all comes down to the owners.
For additional information please email travelrevenuellc@gmail.com
I didn't join world ventures for the dreamtrips, I joined to own a home-based travel business in order to save on my taxes, but I do find that when shopping in my online store the rewards I gain are 100x better than that of ANY credit card rewards program. In such, I teach exactly what I do and how and it offsets the cost to where travel for me is essentially free. It doesn't cost me a dime and the ability to book their dreamtrips + use my rovia bucks I earn from buying the same stuff I buy anyway (just online) works out for me making everything free. In my case, why not?
I didn't go off referring tons of people with their trainings, but I do get a lot of referrals from like-minded people that are interested in how I am generating revenue from it and how I am in it 'free' in which I show them exactly what I do and how which they like.
You have to realize... in MLM type stuff, people don't join businesses... they join people. If you are are realistic and can show the truth behind how YOU benefit personally, then people will join if they relate to that. Don't go overhyping trying to sell people on something they don't necessarily need and you will do fine.
SeeTheWorldCheap.com is my blog by the way, in which you can see my comments in regards to the p
For those who defend this so called business, and compare it to actually owning your own business.it is not the same. It is in no way your own business. Your working FOR world ventures.
World ventures is not accredited. My cousin used to work for this company. He joined and was gung ho with recruiting and recruited alot of people. He carried this I'm better then you persona (that I'm all inspired) persona for 2 years until the realization that he wasn't making a real living. He had recruited at leather 30-40 people under him. And only made an average of 500$ a month. That's chump change. He then got a REAL job so he could support his starving family. Show me actual proof of someone who retired at 25 that's making crazy money. Pay stubs. Etc. Then your arguments will be valid. As for now. All of you who talk good about this company can shut it. All talk no action. PROOF!
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Yes hes about right 30-40 people will get you 300-500 a month so he was earning some money I wonder how much he would be earning if he stuck with it.:(( so sad he let someone like you knock him down.but at the same time that's 300-500 a month residually how much are you getting residually as part of your income.
PS if I earned 300 in residual every month that would at least keep my lights on.some of us can really use this extra income.I know if I had an extra 300-500 a month my house would not have been lost. Stick with it stay the corse it is worth it. Just think of it as money in the bank something is better than nothing.
Email me @nuniboujie@verizon.net and I can help you. Let's get it !
I've been in for 7 months made all my money back if you think you might want to join its all about your team leader get a strong leader who wants you to win and win big allow your self to be pushed. Want to know more contact me. @nuniboujie@verizon.net real coaching for growing business
Your article posted in 2008. Now is 2015. Worldventures numbers are growing.
Who is the scam now? :)
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I couldn't figure out why they couldn't say what it was. Just that we would have fun. Wtf.
Earnst & Young took back the award and WV is not allowed to be using that as a tool to gain business. They were warned about it once and E & Y sent the another letter warning them to the info down. WV is a LIAR
Ernst & Young has never taken back a award from WV... you are the only one telling lies. But I wouldn't think many people would believe you anyway. Seeing as you don't even know the correct spelling of the companies name.
I like your assumptions that it was me who made him fail. He did that all on his own. He could not keep up with recruiting as fast as everyone was dropping out. Lost his bmw that his grandmother had to co sign for. (Also what all his income was paying for) sad to see his children suffer because they don't want to work a real job.
People are arguing about whether or not it's a real business or a scam. To me, that's not even the issue. (although I think it's clearly a bad business) If you're really interested in travel, just do it yourself...why on earth would you join a club like World Ventures with all the nonsense that goes with it? The stupid sign that says "You should be here". Annoying all your friends and family with requests to attend your recruiting meetings. Nonsense. The cult like atmosphere of the rallies they have. The monthly membership fee? How ridiculous. I think it's HIGHLY unlikely the club saves you on any type of vacation that a real independent traveler would want to take anyway. Invest the membership fee in your vacation fund and you'd be way ahead of any savings (which are unlikely anyway).
Admittedly, I don't have a positive view of MLM schemes because they turn into your lifestyle...you try and sell all your friends and family and alienate them all. Then every realtionship both personal and professional turns into a possible lead for your cult...I mean club. Just kind of a gross lifestyle. Amway, Avon, Mary Kay, Herbalife....all of them.
this is bogus, me and my wife are reps with world ventures and have made everything we invested in teh business hit the lifestyle bonus and are only growing ... if you sign up looking for a get rich quick scheme, this is not for you .. buy a lottery ticket.. you get what you put into it .. everything this idiot said is false ... wv is the number one company and has never been in debt .. we are 47 on direct sales and are only growing as we are having record breaking numbers .. you either get in or cry like avon reps that werent born in the 40s ... peace ... im gonna be a millionaire are you? not if you listen to this guy or girl.
Whooohoooo WV is working for me. Just went on my first Dream Trip and it was everything it was supposed to be and more! I get it, some don't. Besides if everyone is doing it who's gonna serve me margaritas while I'm on vacation.
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uneducated moron!!!
Awesome!!! Me too!!!
This business takes a lot of work no matter how easy they make it sound. Most people go into it with unrealistic expectations. I have also found you have to have credibility (which they do not discuss a lot). Prospects have to trust you and it takes a lot of work to build that credibility with people which is why most reps, in my opinion, give up too early. Also, to make any kind of money most people need training which is more money. They tell you it is not selling it is showing. No it is selling. Most people do not know how to over come objections, invite, present, prospect and all the other things selling entails in order to become effective sales people. WV's Training is first rate and the nice thing is a lot of this carries over into real life outside WV but if selling is not for you …. enjoy the vacations.
I am quite well known with World Ventures... I have saved alot of money on their trips.. I have made a bit of money on the business side working my butt off doing it full time. I think the people talking bad about WV is people that could not make a success and FAILED by doing so. Why would you talk so bad about something if you do not have anything to do with it?? I buy into someones lifestyle not their opinion. And yes I have received every cent that WV owes me for DOING my work. And for the MFs that didnt make it... Eat your heart out for the people that do make it! Cheers..
Piramidal cosmetized scheme: Yes u can obtain the discount but every company can do something like that without great effort but u dont know and u swallow the thing ROVIA and world ventures (what's a name..). All bussiness it's creating with 100 USD that every bussines memeber came, this is the key. YEs u have tourist services but it-s an other thing that it is obtain with minimal efforts with a comission fee (the months fee) a touristis fee agency, and the number of destination it's growing because it's growing the number of membership and if u like group vacances u can explain that discount destination but it is not here where we can talk about piramidal scheme.The piramidal scheme it is true and very good hidden (specific for any piramidal scheme) with the offer of turist services. But you are agree to be part of this piramid? That is the question? U are agree for very quick sign and a 100 USD go to the others and so on so far until the end of the piramid? U cheat for the begining and THAT'S ALL FOLK. Yes u can be rich but the price it is the number of bussines member ship, even WV did that exist 70 percent without profit, so calculate and you find your "profit". IT IS NOT REAL PROFIT AND IT IS THE RESULT OF THE THOUSAND OF TAXES OF MEMBERSHIPS BELOW YOU that is separate of the turistic offer wich is the camouflage (and it is a discounted group offer). SO without a contract and without any warranties except "Hurry, you should be here!" . "You should be here but not there at WV!" because "You must be HONEST with others!"
It's funny because most of the people claiming WV is a scam are illiterate (lots of misspellings and grammatical errors throughout their posts). If you accept someone's opinion you have to accept their life style. Always remember that. One thing about reading on forums etc is that all you are doing is reading someone's opinion. The fact that Ernest & Young audited this company for 3 years and then nominated them for an award settles any questions of legitimacy right there. Also, the company is international. You might be able to scam a city, maybe even a state, but do you honestly think a company would be operating internationally if it was a "scam"? #ThinkBeforeYouType
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Funny how all WV reps are claiming to be big shots. Real live data tells a different story.
World Ventures, Inc. (WVNTF)
The Commission temporarily suspended trading in the securities of the foregoing companies due
to a lack of current and accurate information about the companies because they have not filed
certain periodic reports with the Commission. This order was entered pursuant to Section 12(k)
of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Exchange Act).
THeir stock was Suspended by the SEC
Roflmfao ! Delisted. Yea, they are legit alright...only if you are a fucktard.
@James Mark II -- I have included in this post a link to the company that you are referring to with the ticker WVNTF. It belongs to a mining company named world ventures inc. owned by Power Air Corp.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2014/34-71306.pdf
Upon further research I found their corporate page here:
http://sedar.com/DisplayProfile.do?lang=EN&issuerType=03&issuerNo=00008244
I don't know what your intention is whether it is to mislead purposefully or if this was a genuine accident. Please in the future verify to make sure that the company in question is actually the company you are trying to diminish.
My personal story with world ventures: I joined about 8 weeks ago I have taken 2 trips so far booked through rovia. I have saved a lot of money. One major factor that a lot of people are not pointing out is their dreamtrips promise and price pledge promise which states as follows: If you find a dreamtrip cheaper somewhere else, they will send you on the trip for free!!!!! Also if you find flight or hotel cheaper anywhere else they will refund you 150% of the difference in effect making it LITERALLY the cheapest way to travel. My cousin did this and received $85 back on one of her flights. I have gotten my 4 so I have never paid a monthly fee. Its real people! But don't take my word for it. try it for yourself, what is the worst that can happen? If you don't put in the effort and you fail you lose 360 bucks but lets say it does work and you change your life forever because of it. My friend sponsored me and he is making $25K a month with this concept he drives a brand new Mercedes. If it changes your life wouldn't it at least be worth it to give it shot?
I'll leave my email here in case someone hears what I'm saying and wants to lock arms to build a brighter future for ourselves and our families or even if someone has any questions. DMVInvestor1@gmail.com
-Zach
Hi Jeremy I'm always eager to make contact with my fellow WV members. You can contact me via twitter @dailydecadence0
Just because its not accredited by the BBB and it's got be a scam, is a bunch of horseshit! The BBB is not a governing agency and it does not required any company to be a member, nor endorsed any company , legit or not
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I'm actually considering becoming an agent. I was made aware of how the operate. I personally will not operate that way. I refuse to lie. If I'm going to have a get together, I will tell them.to come.over some food, and since you say you like to travel but have no money I have a way for your dreams to come true. To say nothing would make people feel lied to. Then to be pressured within a group. Seems like a good peogram from whay I read already. The few trips I looked up randomly were in fact cheaper. And would become even cheaper once you add your points and bucks. Which is basically what your putting into, what I would call, a traveling savings account.
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Well said. I have to laugh at some of these reviews! I have made lifelong friends on these trips that are a whole different way to travel. Scam? No way! I get the impression people who are writing negative reviews joined a travel club and did not travel. Who's fault is that?
Not true, to be successful others will be successful. I'm truly amazed all the lies being told. I'm in WV and I'm not rich, I don't put much time into it recruiting because I'm always traveling with the friends that did join. No regrets here. Having the time of my life!
Bs. They quit because they aren't using the product or sharing. Your forgetting it is a travel club. If people quit ease explain how this will make me money? I'm curious. The more members you have the more you make. Oh and I'm in WV for free. $50 monthly dues ha email been waived since my second most th in AND they still contribute $50 into my travel piggy bank! Only needed 4 recruits to be I. For free. So I have friends I and we travel! Who loses? We love it!
I'm in WV and love it! Just got back from a Dublin trip, have done cruises where others paid 479 per person where we paid $179 per person. I share this with others because I'm having fun and believe in the product. Whole new way to travel! ;)
Well said!
Well said!
You people defending this scam are all idiots you probably also vote Trump because he is such a success ( yeah right with his dads money) ... There is 0.01% making a living wage and the only ones getting rich are the guys that set up this moneymaking machine ..70% does not make anything .. almost 30% makes a few hundred dollars a month putting pressure on family and friends to join this 'cult' .. Never heard of Mr Madoff , Ponzi schemes ? Are you that blind and dumb ... MLM only works when you set it up or come in early .. And all you believers : where is YOUR PROOF that you are making that enormous income ... I have personally nothing to proof .. I was done when I sold my Finance company age 30 ... I do not have to work anymore , selfmade .... How ? By working hard and letting money work even harder for me ... You are all sheep that believe in the promise of something better by guys at the top that are laughing their asses of behind closed doors ... They are getting away with this .. Is it illegal ? No it isn't so they are smart enough to set it up like this ... But are you really investing time and money into a MLM which you yourself admit only provides a living wage for 0.01% of the participants .. so 1 in 10.000 will in the end make a living wage from this .. You have more chance winning the freaking lottery ... These founders of WV are the smart ones ... all others involved in this 'business' must really have been to the Trump school of Economics ... Hey you are setting up your own business but have a 1 in 10.000 chance to make a living out of it ... Those are the facts ... Still doing WV ? You deserve that company ....
You know, I find it hilarious that people who have worked their whole life, 30 - 40 years and then quit or retire on half what they couldnt live on working would be thumbing their nose at a way to make a residual income of 200-500 a month working "WORKING" a networking business.....ANY business. Every JOB I have had stopped paying me the day I got laid off or quit. NO ONE is saying you are gonna get RICH working a network marketing business, but you know what....it is the ONLY way it is gonna happen unless you get lucky and your rich ETHAN ROLEX brother leaves his business he says he self made to you, LOL...proof please....anyways, You are never EVER gonna get rich working for someone else. The problem is that when you own your own business, it is up to YOU whether you succeed or fail. And of course, no one wants to say I failed so of course they are gonna blame the company. I have not been on a trip yet, but soon. I have not shared it with too many people, so I have not recruited anyone into it, but most people I know live paycheck to paycheck. It doesnt mean it is a scam. DO what you are supposed to do....Sell a membership, get paid.....that is ALL the proof I need is that the check clears or the deposit makes its way to my bank account. Why do people fail?, because they go to a meeting, they get excited and sign up as a member and also for the business and then they meet ONE ETHAN ROLEX telling them what a scam it is and they quit. When you see a fail rate that high, it is exactly because of people like YOU that people quit on their dreams.
Let me start this by saying that I am an attorney and small business owner (for over 29 years). And no, I am not dumb enough to vote for Donald Trump with a string of bankruptcies and Daddy's money). There are multiple ways to make money with WV and it is not a pyramid scheme. If you don't want to save money on traveling, then politely tell your friend that you aren't interested, assuming that you can remain civil.
WV has a great disclosure statement in each issue of their monthly magazine showing how much each level makes. There's no hidden information.
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My wife and I got suckered into coming over for some snacks and coffee and l oh yeah, they had some exciting opportunities to share with us.
I told my wife I know exactly what this is. We went as a laugh just to give the couple giving the presentation shit.
Sure enough,first it started off with the slide show. Then his speech. He couldn't even answer simple questions.
I didn't know but hlhim and his wife had already roped my sister in law into a top of the line membership. While at this Freakshow I took out my phone and began to Google this bullshit. He could only produce 1 page of the two page contract. Which while I was sitting there on Google, sure enough, that is one of the tactics. The second page has all of the nails that they'll drive into your financial coffin. It is so plain and simple that it is a pyramid scheme. If I have to recruit 10 people and they have to recruit 10 people and so on and so on.
It's pretty blatant. But to a small community that is for the most part in financial despair, it's preying in them. My wife and I moved from a large city to this small town. I tried to tell them they were getting scammed. But the couple giving the presentation said I was jealous of all the money other people were about to make.
You have to pay to attend their own company seminars I'm order to be more motivated to recruit more suckers into this scam
Seriously think about that. What company requires you to pay THEM to advance their company?
Microsoft? GM? Ford? Chrysler? Apple? Name one.
Every person that is selling this is honestly nothing more than a shit salesman with a mouth full of samples.
In the end, as hard as my relatives tried they couldn't make it. The entire county consisted of less than 5,000 people yet they were told this bullshit would work. And just for shits and giggles, Google these asshats. They use strongarm tactics and threats of lawsuits if you throw them a bad comment or review. Kinda like the one I'm writing right now.
Fuck these jokers. Go ahead try to sue me for saying g you a bunch of scam artists. You can't get blood from a rock so blow me! Hahahahahaha
I have no idea whos dick they sucked to get them this far. But I'll tell ya this. I'd like some of that head. Because it must be truly amazing!
My wife and I got suckered into coming over for some snacks and coffee and l oh yeah, they had some exciting opportunities to share with us.
I told my wife I know exactly what this is. We went as a laugh just to give the couple giving the presentation shit.
Sure enough,first it started off with the slide show. Then his speech. He couldn't even answer simple questions.
I didn't know but hlhim and his wife had already roped my sister in law into a top of the line membership. While at this Freakshow I took out my phone and began to Google this bullshit. He could only produce 1 page of the two page contract. Which while I was sitting there on Google, sure enough, that is one of the tactics. The second page has all of the nails that they'll drive into your financial coffin. It is so plain and simple that it is a pyramid scheme. If I have to recruit 10 people and they have to recruit 10 people and so on and so on.
It's pretty blatant. But to a small community that is for the most part in financial despair, it's preying in them. My wife and I moved from a large city to this small town. I tried to tell them they were getting scammed. But the couple giving the presentation said I was jealous of all the money other people were about to make.
You have to pay to attend their own company seminars I'm order to be more motivated to recruit more suckers into this scam
Seriously think about that. What company requires you to pay THEM to advance their company?
Microsoft? GM? Ford? Chrysler? Apple? Name one.
Every person that is selling this is honestly nothing more than a shit salesman with a mouth full of samples.
In the end, as hard as my relatives tried they couldn't make it. The entire county consisted of less than 5,000 people yet they were told this bullshit would work. And just for shits and giggles, Google these asshats. They use strongarm tactics and threats of lawsuits if you throw them a bad comment or review. Kinda like the one I'm writing right now.
Fuck these jokers. Go ahead try to sue me for saying g you a bunch of scam artists. You can't get blood from a rock so blow me! Hahahahahaha
I have no idea whos dick they sucked to get them this far. But I'll tell ya this. I'd like some of that head. Because it must be truly amazing!
My wife and I got suckered into coming over for some snacks and coffee and l oh yeah, they had some exciting opportunities to share with us.
I told my wife I know exactly what this is. We went as a laugh just to give the couple giving the presentation shit.
Sure enough,first it started off with the slide show. Then his speech. He couldn't even answer simple questions.
I didn't know but hlhim and his wife had already roped my sister in law into a top of the line membership. While at this Freakshow I took out my phone and began to Google this bullshit. He could only produce 1 page of the two page contract. Which while I was sitting there on Google, sure enough, that is one of the tactics. The second page has all of the nails that they'll drive into your financial coffin. It is so plain and simple that it is a pyramid scheme. If I have to recruit 10 people and they have to recruit 10 people and so on and so on.
It's pretty blatant. But to a small community that is for the most part in financial despair, it's preying in them. My wife and I moved from a large city to this small town. I tried to tell them they were getting scammed. But the couple giving the presentation said I was jealous of all the money other people were about to make.
You have to pay to attend their own company seminars I'm order to be more motivated to recruit more suckers into this scam
Seriously think about that. What company requires you to pay THEM to advance their company?
Microsoft? GM? Ford? Chrysler? Apple? Name one.
Every person that is selling this is honestly nothing more than a shit salesman with a mouth full of samples.
In the end, as hard as my relatives tried they couldn't make it. The entire county consisted of less than 5,000 people yet they were told this bullshit would work. And just for shits and giggles, Google these asshats. They use strongarm tactics and threats of lawsuits if you throw them a bad comment or review. Kinda like the one I'm writing right now.
Fuck these jokers. Go ahead try to sue me for saying g you a bunch of scam artists. You can't get blood from a rock so blow me! Hahahahahaha
I have no idea whos dick they sucked to get them this far. But I'll tell ya this. I'd like some of that head. Because it must be truly amazing!
This review is in no way an accurate depiction of what WV is about I was in for 2 weeks made my money back and I am a year in and I have learned so.much threw personal development due to this company and training event's, you become what you think about!!!! NETWORK MARKETING IS A AWESOME FIELD OF WORK I wouldn't have it any other way!!!! World Ventures, best life decision I have ever made!!!
This review is in no way an accurate depiction of what WV is about I was in for 2 weeks made my money back and I am a year in and I have learned so.much threw personal development due to this company and training event's, you become what you think about!!!! NETWORK MARKETING IS A AWESOME FIELD OF WORK I wouldn't have it any other way!!!! World Ventures, best life decision I have ever made!!!
Don't knock it till you try it
Don't knock it till you try it
I used to think of WV as a scam too and decided to join to see and understand it. It is not a lot of money to be scammed if it can be proven. Plus, I am never in business so being not so smart, I also do not know if Ernst and Young nominate the founder and co-founder and WV company, what is the big deal.
For the 1st year, I merely travel with WV to experience their so call 'culture'. Which amazed me. Within a year, I used up 70% of my leave to travel with WV on their members-only priced trips. I saved a lot :)
Along the way, I tested their system for rewards and i got it. I ended up having a free air flight and free accommodation for one of my trips.
2nd year, i decided to finally show my friends about WV. This is the biggest obstacles as I also felt weird not able to share much and only can share upon meetup. I did not 'invite' a lot of friends as I am still not used to it. Most of my friends did not join me. However, people I did not invite somehow seem to follow my facebook and ask me to show them how I get to travel. Within 3 months, everything i paid to join came back more than what i had put in.
Now, i am no longer paying any 'fee'. WV gives me rewards based on past efforts and thus my trips with WV are always at a much happier price, and at times, i get additional rewards for work done by people who joined me :)
This is not for everyone. It is a tough job as well to keep travelling and vacationing. I gladly do it though :)
Whoever read this, whether u like WV or not, and whether u googled or not, at the end its simple... U travel, I travel, most of us travel. Only diff is i pay 3-stars pricing for 4 to 5 stars pricing. You may not get use to good treatment, but I enjoyed it a lot :) Am very pampered by WV nowadays so sorry to say that :)
What is wrong with hope? If someone is giving me hope why should I turn it down? People without hope actually take antidepressants and end up killing themselves or become menaces to society.
Everyday you go to your job because you were sold hope that that measly pay check will one day get better until it's time to retire an you're broke. I just wish you would shut up and leave people to make their own decisions. People strive to be like other millionaires and billionaires everyday by going to college for years pay $24,000 yrly tuition and more and leave school jobless with student loans to pay and only have a piece of paper to show for it. Isn't that a pyramid scheme? The man up top getting all the money and only a few with PhD actually living out their dream?
I laugh at people who look at something that's working and say it's a scam...everything in life is a pyramid something or someone must be on top.
The medication sold tobtye world is taken in hope that things will get better regardless of the 'disclosure statement' shown upfront that it may or may not work. It's hope that keeps then taking it. We make choices everday!
Thousands of people in Worldventures are successful in living their dreams everyday. We give people the opportunity to work hard for a few years and reap your intended rewards as opposed to doing so for 40 years being miserable and dying miserable. It's up to you! You made your decision, now be quiet and let others do the same . how can you research on Google and Yahoo? Wow... That's what research is these days? Not facts just a list of other people's opinions? Smh
What is wrong with hope? If someone is giving me hope why should I turn it down? People without hope actually take antidepressants and end up killing themselves or become menaces to society.
Everyday you go to your job because you were sold hope that that measly pay check will one day get better until it's time to retire an you're broke. I just wish you would shut up and leave people to make their own decisions. People strive to be like other millionaires and billionaires everyday by going to college for years pay $24,000 yrly tuition and more and leave school jobless with student loans to pay and only have a piece of paper to show for it. Isn't that a pyramid scheme? The man up top getting all the money and only a few with PhD actually living out their dream?
I laugh at people who look at something that's working and say it's a scam...everything in life is a pyramid something or someone must be on top.
The medication sold tobtye world is taken in hope that things will get better regardless of the 'disclosure statement' shown upfront that it may or may not work. It's hope that keeps then taking it. We make choices everday!
Thousands of people in Worldventures are successful in living their dreams everyday. We give people the opportunity to work hard for a few years and reap your intended rewards as opposed to doing so for 40 years being miserable and dying miserable. It's up to you! You made your decision, now be quiet and let others do the same . how can you research on Google and Yahoo? Wow... That's what research is these days? Not facts just a list of other people's opinions? Smh
Bottom line is.......if these "Business Owners" who love World Ventures were truly making any money, they would be more than happy to post their 1099 to show everyone how wonderful the money is. But don't expect to see any. LOLOL
Maybe you can look up Walmart, Bank of America or any other big company on BBB and check out complaints and how many they have. You will be surprised! Nobody claims to be perfect, but to have 300 Million+ people in USA alone, 55 complaints you found is remarkable. Just saying... I'm not afiliated with World Venture group at all. Just reading the comments.
Too bad they were sold lmao
Too bad they were sold lmao
The whole global financial system is a Ponzi Scheme. The have and have nots. Thirteen families controlling every aspect of global life (finances, media, etc.). Multilevel marketing is one way for many to have some kind of financial freedom. Those at the top now that.
The whole global financial system is a Ponzi Scheme. The have and have nots. Thirteen families controlling every aspect of global life (finances, media, etc.). Multilevel marketing is one way for many to have some kind of financial freedom. Those at the top now that.
Truth. I have been a member of WV for over 2 years. Truth. I am a Sr rep with the company. Truth. I make a residual income each month and have bank statements to prove it. Truth i earn a bonus every month again can be proven.Truth. one of my directly signed personal reps on my team has the highest level accredidation to fight the irs in all 50 states. Truth. 2 of my friends just walked the stage as directors and 2 more from my team just walked as marketing directors. several of my team have quit there jobs and do this full time. firefighters, personal trainers, military, etc. Truth i jave been on 18 trips in 26 months. Truth yes only about 20 percent make money. if you go to the gym on jan2 of any year it is full of all the people wanting to lose weight or get in shape. go back on feb1 and only about 20 percent are still there putting in the work. in any business you get what you put into it. if you open a taco bell it costs you approx 1,250,000 to get started. in the first 5 years if you are working 60 plus hours per week you are expected by the main company to make about 65,000/yr if you make it through that then you should start making some good money. WV is legit. look up world travel awards for rovia, dreamtrips, and world ventures you will find for the last 5 years we have beaten expedia, priceline, travelocity and others for the world best booking engine. worlds leading travel company ect. google is a search engine, not a research engine. I have beaten corporate discounts at crowne plaza, lowes, etc. and it keeps getting better. recently i went out to eat at a nice restaraunt and got money back to go on vacation. anyone who says this doesnt work. has not done their homework properly or just hasnt done the work period.
with over 1 million members currently and doing business in 28 different countries. Getting the first ever Direct sales license in Malaysia. their is plenty of proof this works. Here is the issue not everyone has the ability to train and lead their team. I was told if you dont like your upline or feel unsupported then go find someone else that you can work with. so i did. not that i dont get along with my team, we all get along great but my style or running a business is different from theirs. I am happy to help anyone on this thread learn more about wv and facts. Doing it the right way. our most expensive training is the view cost about 600.00 most of the others are 29.99 to 39.99 for regionals, ans 149.to 299.00 for national events. feel free to email me questions to wloren31@ yahoo.com. if you are a current Wv rep who needs more info then great. if you are curious about the coompany and are not a rep that is cool to. i have read tons of good and bad reviews here and must say that most of the negative info is false, blown out of proportion, or people who mis represented to someone else. it is sad mlm has a bad rap. it is really a great way for the average person to better themselves. Amway did 12 billion in sales last year is it a scam. avon did multibillion in sales is it a scam? tupperware is still making tons of money are they a scam? no to all people are flawed you get good and bad people in any business. not everyone is meant to be a business owner. I read in one of the earliar posts that all the trips were off season funny because with 11000 trips this year and 25000 scheduled for next year i cant imagine how none of the trips are in a prime time. again someone speaking without true knowledge. I am a Sr Rep with the company. I receive a check every month and i recieve a bonus every month. is it enough to retire on, not yet but it will be one day.
lmao I showed this to a travel agent the other day she is doing her homework now but stated up front she could not get these trips for these prices. so if you want to put false info online you are proving my point that google is a search engine not a research engine.
lol if he signed up 30 to 40 people he at best was a sr rep like i am. the company clearly states this is a spare time income. he should have had a job anyway. with all my residual income and bonuses i make over 1,000/ mo no it is not time for me to drop my job and live on it full time and anyone that does is foolish. 2 if people were dropping out faster than he could recruit then either he is not a good recruiter or not good at following a proven system and showing his people how to follow the same system. I am a business owner and have been for 13 years. too many people set unrealistic goals for their skill level and ability. as for you using your cousins story to disprove something. you have no direct knowledge. you dont know if he trained his team properly or not. I suppose not. You dont know if he was searching out the info to help his team grow. i would bet not. as for your check theory i know several people personally who after a time with the company have quit their jobs and are doing this fill time and have the bank statement to prove it. our income disclosure sheet shows the average sr rep makes about 7000 per year anyone who would consider this a time to quit their job when they have a family really doesnt make good decisions. so your story has no validity. when you experience it and know the facts then i will listen to your arguments.
posting a 1099 would not help. 1 it gives people false expectations if you do. i am making this so you can to. not everyone has the same skills and abilities. and i i post a high one you guys will say it is falsified, i i post a low one you guys will say see they arent making alot of money. that is why the income disclosure sheet is given to each person by company rules we have to show prospective people what the high low and average incomes are at each level. it also shows the percentage of people who get to that level.
People won't post their 1099 because they are ashamed of it.
In general all MLM companies are working on the same platform. Those who are unsuccessful and have NO knowledge about the basics are posting negative comments. First study the structure, than do it. MLM is pay you for your work. This is a different concept. Nothing similar in regular life. And the regular life is a big pyramid as well. Think! Many workers and one boss and the others in between. With this I am not saying that ALL MLM companies are good. Unfortunately there are a big numbers are bad, and a scam, but there are big numbers are good. Worldventures is one of the good ones. I have done many so called Dreamtrips. My saving are close to $8,000 on 15 trips. I did comparison with other sites all the time. I found time to time the same flight cheaper, but after sending to Rovia (booking engine of WV) I received the promised 150% of the difference. ALWAYS! I am a rep as well and I am doing it slow, but I am receiving everything the company promised. If I would be like most of you, than I would write a blog about this scam. But I studied it first, learnt the concept, tried the product. I am not gone make millions, but I am not posting negative comments, because I know why. And it is me and not WV.
How many of those 15 "Dream Trips" were to Cancun, etc to attend the WV Pep Rallys?
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There is no harm in engaging in a club that pays.we are here to make the living better.
70% who join and do not make money simply means they did not work.
Where there is no work, no pay The Bible says he who dies not work should not pay! Worldventures is in Kenya to sty!
I lived in Cozumel, stayed several times in Maya Resort before I got engaged with WV. I took a dreamtrip and over $1,700 stayed in my pocket and I had a lovely bg suite. So it is working. I attended on a few trainngs. It was worth every penny. If you don't change your mind when you enter and you believe you can make money without doing nothing don't be surprised. Who does not make money in WV those are the ones who do not work hard enough, don't learn just complain. I am not making money yet, but I know where I am standing. WV is one of those MLM companies which is ne of the best ones.
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The company that has70% failure is how the 20% get paid. Tricking ur own friends and family into see the videos if f*ucked up. Attending these motivational trainings are ways they brain wash you. You dont need sales experience but reality ur sales rep. If this was such a great company they would be public but they also tell u the bs that expensive cars dont advertise. Ur paying ur upline and ur downline is paying u. Ur website is not making u money the people that are being used to sign up are. They tell u to read books on how to influence people. Times are financally hard people are desperate and most of the time the people who sign up are losers who now feel like they made friends and are part of something ehich causes loyalty and those are the one who are on here trying to defend WV until theres no one left to sign up and WV cant pay u anymore than youll see how youve all been used this entire time and how these downlones have all been the ones paying the up lines not WV are profits from the websites.
The company that has70% failure is how the 20% get paid. Tricking ur own friends and family into see the videos if f*ucked up. Attending these motivational trainings are ways they brain wash you. You dont need sales experience but reality ur sales rep. If this was such a great company they would be public but they also tell u the bs that expensive cars dont advertise. Ur paying ur upline and ur downline is paying u. Ur website is not making u money the people that are being used to sign up are. They tell u to read books on how to influence people. Times are financally hard people are desperate and most of the time the people who sign up are losers who now feel like theyve made friends and are part of something which makes loyalty and those are the one who are on here trying to defend WV until theres no one left to sign up and WV cant pay u anymore than youll see how youve all been used this entire time and how these downlines have all been the ones paying the up lines not WV or profits from ur websites.
I ve been reading these comments and I can see that majority of you have no idea what Network Marketing is about.First study, learn, like any new jobs, before you make negative comments. If you never done Network Marketing, than what makes you expert? I tell you what. Jelousy that you failed. Look Amway. Been in the business about 30 years. WV 10 yrs. Any contries they are in, it is legal. Some comments pointed out, that you wont be rich overnight. You need t work fr the money. You are expecting get well paid. Good, than do the work and stop complaining the you make your upper line rich. The upper line worked hard to be there. It is funny that you make complains, look at your life, you work hard and who gets rich? Your boss and not you. So wake up people and think before you make comments about something YOU HAVE NO IDEA HW DOES IT WORK. By the way, yes ,I am part of WV, but making no money yet. BUT I don,t go out and keep writing negative comments.
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You people keep saying,"work for it" yet you haven't really specified what working for it means. Are you talking about extending the information to everyone you know? So that it fans out from them and so on? Like a fucking pyramid? All of the supposed success stories or not descriptive at all. No actually context. Meanwhile the negatives went into detail and it seems to me that once you run out of people to extend this too it's gonna fail. The bubble bursts at the lowest levels, if people can't find other people to promote and they find this thing to expensive for their tastes they are gonna quit. Get that on a mass level and boom!
You can't produce something from nothing and on multiple levels that is what you people are claiming to be able to do.
You get paid off of monthly membership fees for peoole buying a invite only memebership You are not a "travel consultant" this blog is false.i have a business spot in the company as well as a membership
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You know.... I work alongside people in this business that travel all over the place to build this business. They put in the work and they don't make excuses. They are given any extra from anyone. I only know that because I work alongside them. And unless you do, I wouldn't expect you to understand.
Aren't* given any extra.
@a little book problem;
For your consideration: as I sponsor somebody into this concept, one person, and then they sponsor 3-6,etc and do more work than me guess who makes the money? They do. It's not as I'm at the top or since I started first or because I recruited them. They turned out more PRODUCTION. This is just like a financial agency or insurance and brokerage houses where nobody calls them pyramids, real estate agencies, nobody calls that a pyramid scheme. The broker there will always make more money because he's getting half of what they make and overriding all the agents or brokers. At least here the agent can OUT-Earn the RECRUITING broker.
As a teacher-coach, I cannot out earn my principal or my superintendent. That's a LEGAL pyramid just like this one.
Yes, many are illegal, as defined by the FCC, those that have no product or service and those that pay for recruiting only. Google is a search engine not a research engine.bye✌
Might I also add, the reason why this company was founded was even in the chief Visionary officers address to people in 2012. His address was that there was a time where him and the founders of the company relied on one person too much just for it all to falter, and that's why he created the company.
So much disinformation, presumption, & sloppy lazy "google research". Maybe after ignoring those 10 pages until you found the 1 "scam" in line with your belief. You would have seen that WV has won the world travel awards on 5 continents for the last 5 consecutive years & also inc 5000 4 years straight as one of the fastest growing of U.S. privately held companies. Also a Virtuoso member. You may want to Google the last one
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and anton szandor lavey have become household name,the opening and floodgates of a revolution designed to smash the hypocrisy and unreason of organised religion and mystical philosophies of either rigit or left handpaths.
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