Thursday, December 11, 2008

World Ventures LLC seminar - MLM Pyramid scheme?

Last night I was indirectly invited to a World Ventures seminar. It's a multi-level marketing (MLM) company that offers two ways to make money. Once you sign up as a "Travel consultant", you have a website like YTB, Expedia or any other travel booking site. If people book their travel through your site, you will make a commission. The second method of making money is to get people to sign up as "Travel consultants" under you thereby creating a pyramid, network or downline for yourself. The other product they offer is a paid membership to DreamTrips, a service that is supposed to get you discounted travel at amazingly low rates. There are guys in the company making $2.4 million a year, supposedly.

Sounds too good to be true? After doing some research on the company on Google and Yahoo, I found forums of people discussing World Ventures. All of the sponsored search results refer to this company as a scam. Digging deeper, I found that the founders of this company were all top performers in Pre-Paid Legal and YTB (Your Travel Business) MLM companies. YTB was in the news recently for being a scam and owing their reps a lot of money. Pre-Paid Legal had a lot of buzz around 2003 and since has died down a lot.

I have always been skeptical of pyramid schemes and the only product I'm interested in is the discounted travel, but even that seems possible without the paid membership.

Jeff Johnston, a former professional golfer was the speaker at the presentation last night. A 26 year-old Carlos Rogers was also mentioned. These guys are travelling and putting on these seminars with their top producers to keep it going.

Summary: The founders of World Ventures LLC are Wayne Nugent, Dan Stammen and Mike Azcue, all of whom were top producers for Pre-Paid Legal, YTB and other MLM companies. They learn the business, the ins and outs and form a network and decide why will they work for the guy up there when they can break off and form their own MLM company. Then, this company really has no product and tries to sell people the dream that they can travel to "hot spots" around the world for pennies on the dollar. The reason they're able to negotiate these deals with cruise lines is because they are getting group discounts during the lowest possible seasons for travel to these destinations. It has been proven that you will NOT make money from your own travel site. How will your non-appealing, identical to all the other idiots site compete with Expedia, Travelocity and Orbitz. The only way to make money is to sign people up to become "travel consultants". These MLM companies thrive on finding a few really good salesmen that really portray their belief in a product. Every wanna-be that signs up thinks they can be like these super salesmen and pays thousands to attend leadership conferences and "Accelerated Training" seminars in hopes that they can grow their pyramid networks.

Some of the most successful companies are really selling hope, disguised as a product or service.

47 comments:

Fraud Education said...

WorldVentures profits off of their admitted 70% failure rate. Their high pressure sales tactics are used to intimidate people into making a rash decision.

Slides such as "Momentum" are displayed and verbal misrepresentations are made regarding the status of the company and the immediate potential earnings...

Other sales tactics such as the slide dipicting "YOU" out to the left and "BOB" in your place in the pyramid therefore, "BOB" is going to get all the profits "YOU" missed out on because you didn't sign right then and there- is another example of misleading the prospect...

Only handing the recruitee a 2 page contract (and in some cases only 1 of the 2 pages) and verbally telling the recruitees "It's just a standard contract". Yet, the 2 page contract contains stipulations that the recruitee agrees to abide by a Detailed Compensation Plan and Policies & Procedures, neither of which were provided to recruitee to read/review, nor were those agreements even verbally disclosed...

Utilizing misleading sales techniques from companies the FTC shut down for deceptive practices, i.e. "MOMENTUM"... (Trek Alliance used the same tactic)

Omitting and deceiving the public of the involvement WV executives truly had with "companies with less than stellar reputations"... Marc Accetta's true involvement with Equinox and Trek Alliance

Training new reps to use deceptive tactics when inviting prospects to meetings "Be in a hurry", "Keep from explaining"...

I personally witnessed a WV Representative state they are claiming certain tax deductions, in an attempt to lead prospective recruitees into believing they too could get said tax deductions by being a WV rep, when in fact those particular deductions he stated he was claiming are not allowable AT ALL per IRS regulations (confirmed by my attorney)...

I also personally received an email from a WorldVentures rep stating she had "gotten all her money back" that she originally invested in becoming a WV rep through WV profits. Further investigation revealed she actually had a several hundred dollar loss...

In my world, these tactics are unethical, and in some cases - even illegal. Preying on people's emotions, exploiting their trust, and sending them away with a financial loss and a sense of shame through a feeling of failure.

Couple that with the high unemployment rate right now, a perfect breeding ground for more victims, victims desperate and willing to accept just about anything they are told just so for a glimpse of hope that they can provide for their family.

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Informed said...

I can not speak for the rest of people out there but as for me personally... I have met the people involved with World Ventures. I have made my money back and then some within two months. I have done what is needed to do in order to become successful. We tell people that this is NOT a get rich quick scheme. You have to work at it and please, this is not a PYRAMID. A true pyramid makes commission on recruiting people, WV does not. A true pyramid does not allow people below you to make as much or more than the person above. You are in control here. Best of all I work with a team of people. Once you plug in you become part of a family. No one fights for people and we take care of each other.

We do admit 70.2% did not receive any income. We say this because we don't want to give anyone a false impression. This IS a business. Don't expect to jump on board and make lots of money doing nothing. It does not work that way. Those people did not take it serious enough. If you decide to open your own business, and don't put the time into building it. Then you won't have one. This is no different. A company decides to be honest and gets shot down for it? When was the last time a company actually disclosed this information? Think about that.

Yes we do get people to show up without saying a word about what it is. WHY??? Because I won't do it justice. I can not explain it in a few sentences. If I try I will leave them with the idea that this is not what it TRULY is. When was the last time you sat with someone going over a company's business model in a few sentences. It doesn't happen. I have had people thank me for getting them there. Reps that end up joining later after someone told them too much, were not happy with the inviter for not inviting them the right way.

The "4 Phases of Growth" slide is there to show you where the company is positioned at this time. Also to demonstrate what phases a company goes through before they are successful. DO we guarantee "Momentum." NO we don't. We simply say that if we do go through the momentum, that it can be very lucrative vs. getting in at the top. Have you ever heard of getting in at the ground floor? There is no point investing in Apple stock now. You should have done that 20 years ago when no one knew who they were. In case you didn't know, Travel is an 8 Trillion dollar industry. The LARGEST in the world. Bigger than #2 Food, #3 Oil/Gas #4 Pharmaceuticals. ALL PUT TOGETHER. When you have the right product at the right time. Don't you think something good might come out of it?

Yes we do have a "BOB" slide, but it's hypothetical and never states that you WILL lose out. Simply shows how the company works, and you NEVER KNOW who will show up under you.

Contract? What contract? I can cancel any time and not pay a fee for doing so. We are not a cell phone company. If WV wanted your money they would lock you in like a cell company or a gym membership.
Most of the stuff on the app tells you your rights to cancel. What those rights are in certain states. This is like any business. It is going to protect itself from misrepresenting representatives. So if someone is doing something they are not suppose to they can be terminated and barred from representing WV in any way. Don't take my word for it. Read it yourself.

Yes Mike Azcue and other top dogs were involved with those companies. They tried to tell them how they could run it better. They didn't listen. Now they wish they had. Where are they now? If you are thinking about doing World Ventures then you need to decide for yourself. Remember that there are people out there that are not very happy with the fact that these guys are successful.

THINK for yourself. Don't believe me or any of the people out there. Do your own homework.

By the way Better Business Bureau rated WV an A- Check it for your self.

Janie said...

@ Informed:

I did check it out. World Ventures is does not have BBB accreditation.

From the BBB:
"Complaints are regarding misrepresentation of the promised savings on travel, slow or non delivery of promised refunds and dissatisfaction with customer service. Specifically, customers complain that paying the company fee and following the company business model does not provide promised savings as stated by company representatives. The company resolves complaints by offering refunds or refering to the agreement for explanation. However, customers complain that the refund was delayed or not received. Additionally, customers indicate that they have difficulty contacting the company."

They have 55 complaints against them.

The A- rating is because of the length of time the underlying travel business has been in existence.

YES...do get informed and follow the link to the real BBB report and don't just swallow what they are serving up on World Venture websites.

http://www.bbb.org/dallas/business-reviews/multi-level-selling-companies/world-ventures-in-plano-tx-90030075

Thanks for a balanced view of this latest scam. Too bad I had to wade through 10 pages of Google search findings to get to the truth.

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max said...

I find this very interesting. The best education we could provide is that we are responsible for our own future. I have run several multi million dollar sales organizations. It is true of the 80/20 rule, 80% of business is done by 20%. You have the leaders, you have the average. It is always easy for the ones who actually didn't try heir best. They got into something and failed a few times, then quit to place blame on the company or opportunity. I have been part of World Ventures for several years, my team has grown into the hundreds, I have saved on hotels booked through my own web site, I have recieved commissions off my site, saved on the tax deductions that are afforded me by having a home based business as allowed by the IRS. I have done what I supposed to do to get the results. And yes, I failed along the way to get there. The difference was I was willing to look in the mirror to see the real problem and solution, ME. "If it is meant to be it is up to me." Our country has created great leaders and great companies. However no great business or person has every done anything significant without difficulty, failure and yes disappointing someone. Babe Ruth was remembered for his homeruns not his strikeouts. Although the strike outs out numbered the homeruns. He just didn't give up or blame his team for his strike outs. If World Ventures/Rovia was a scam, why would we have ex Senators, Fortune 500 Executives, Doctors, Attornies, one of the largest oldest retailers in the world, National Charities associate their name with the company. We have done more good in peoples lives than any company I have every seen. That is the problem with the web, there is no policing of the stories placed by ill informed people who want to blame there lack of willing to do the uncomfortable on the company instead of themself. Remember people hear what they want to hear to justify their current position in life. Thanks World Ventures for the good you Manifest in people lifes. Signed "The Smile Collector"

Jerry Dudko said...

My friend brought me to one of the world venture meetings yesterday night without first explaining to me really what I was walking into. He had claimed it was a surprise.
Either way, I felt as if my friend was trying to take advantage of me. He needs to sign up members to avoid losing money. He tricked me to make 20 dollars.
In and of itself that's not too bad, I'm a grown up. I can say no and forget about it. It's the fact that to be successful, others have to fail. You won't be directly in contact with the people you're trying to feed off of but they're people just the same. It's parasitic. It's not productive. It's selfish and stupid.

You're just juggling money around and hoping that you can grab enough of other people's money to come out on top. Yeah, you could argue that it's not a scam. You do have to work to be successful. You have to work to take money from other people. I don't understand how the members of this could be so careless.

april said...

Their is alot of technically speaking rules when it comes to them. Like I have to invite friends but just tell them it's something cool not say anything about what we are doing. Not lying or breaking any rules but if I can't be upfront and be like this is what we are doing something is wrong. They aren't technically breaking any laws but their are grey areas it's not a traditional pyramid scheme but a very high tech one. When our presenter said don't explain it to anyone you don't have to know how it works for it to work and their is alot on the Internet but consider the source they were red flags for me. This guys are so so smart and it's so easy to believe them and get trapped. Your not technically breaking the law but it's sketchy

10b60816-a934-11e1-ba81-000bcdcb2996 said...

Well why do u think it is that they tell you not to tell your friends or family what it is? Cause NM have a bad rap.

Besides, you don't wanna trick your friends to see you, you could just ask them to see you just to spend time with you and then bring it up after a meal or coffee or tea, etc.

Just keep trying and keep doing you NM studies and stay on course. Don't waiver or let anyone's opinion matter cause you're doing something that has tremendous growth.

If the author of this article stated that the founders of WV are top earner of their old NM companies, don't you think it's wise to follow their leadership and advise?

Imagine if Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird started their own Basketball NM company... would people follow? OFCOURSE!!!

Why? Cause of their PUBLIC SUCCESS. That's they key word.

Look, we've witnessed that success. So we'd join cause we'd wanna lear from them (assuming basketball is your thing).

But it's bigger than just promoting the product and looking for new people to grow with. It's about PROMOTING YOURSELF. If you can have an unshakable character that doesn't let opinions matter then I know people will join you and your team.

There's so much more to talk about but that's all I'll mention today. Have fun on your WV Journey!

Todd Matrise said...

Take ownership for your own failures. it is not the system but the individuals effort and how try conduct themselves. By the way: pampered chef, Avon, Scentcy, and more are network marketing companies. Some are owned by WARREN BUFFET and Donald Trump. Lastly, for all of you whom seem to know so much. Ernst & Young, the second largest auditing firm in the world, found everything on the level and nominated the founders as entreprenters of the year. Stop listening to the lazy, whiners, know it all and find some true facts from professional sources.

jal6990 said...

Wow!! Some people are just dumb WORLDVENTURES IS REAL!!! the person who wrote this blog is a scam, he is scamming himself and others who believe him out of something that is going to be bigger then Microsoft. Look where he did his research.... Google and Yahoo... Love both of those sites but it is well know that anyone can write on it..KINDA LIKE THE BATHROOM WALL... WV is changing my life and many of other lives and if you dont get it dont hate on it, its cool its not for everyone.

Experienced said...

I am not a member but was recently pitched the opportunity to become one. I have a business analyst background and was insulted that this person would even consider me as a lead. For the company to make a profit they must sell a product; low cost trips. Ok i grasp that. But the only way for a rep to make money is to get other paying members. How is this sustainable long term? The business' profit center is memberships, with close to 70% failing to make their fees back. That is terrible! This means that not only are members not making the so called big bucks but they can not even get enough benefit out of the low cost trips to justify the membership fee. Historical data is a great thing. The numbers do not lie.

If there was enough demand for these bulk rate trips why wouldn't a reputable company like Expedia be purchasing them, slap on a small mark up and sell them like the other 99% of goods and services consumers buy?

I believe the real product for sale is hope of financial freedom, and it is unethical, but legitimate. Put the same effort into any other small business of your choice and with the right resources you will succeed in an ethical manner.

In the business and investing world one of the first concepts a good investor learns is that if you are hearing about a high returning opportunity its already too late. Examples: Facebook, Google, Youtube, and Microsoft just to name a few. With all of the information available on this company, it is not new, it is not explosive. If it were it would be too late, its just the way it is. Being in the right place at the right time does not come from a google search. It comes from being roomates with Mark Zuckerberg or someone with a new out of this world concept. It is not planned, and is not talked about in presentations.

Im done ranting here. I strongly advise taking the time and money you are/ might be putting into this company and using toward your passion. There is no such thing as a free meal.

cgj6 said...

All a waste of money and time I know a family been pushing this crap for 3 years...and I can smell out the WV marketing is "propaganda" machine.When you know and understand the accounting/the numbers(the language of business) which 99.9% of the recruits do not know nor understand.

Unknown said...

wouldn't trust anything that isn't accredited by the BBB. only saying..

MOSES STONE said...

The biggest scam is the 9 to 5 job, (according to Donald Trump and many others) but people have been conditioned(like sheep) to think it is the only way becasuse that is the way the parasitic corporate culture wants them to think so they can keep people in economic slavery.

Donald Trump, Warren Buffet and the creator of Fruit of the Loom are all involved in this business model now, which top economists, like Paul Zane Pilzer, are predicting will be 'the' business model of the 21st century.

Newtork Marketing allows average people to take back their power and not give it away to large company where only a few at the top make any real money and everyone else barely keeps their head above water.

Wake up people, there is no longer any security in the 9 to 5 job. Furthermore, it is disrespectful of people's dignity; you deserve to be treated like an adult instead of having to 'ask permission' like a little child, to take off a day and do something important to you, like being with your own kids.

Not only that, having a home based business is the ONLY way most people are going to be able to take advantage of the tax deductions the very companies they work for are getting every year.

WorldVenturehappy said...

My 2 cents on WV

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Vik Waran said...

We can keep accusing network marketing companies to be fraud or as a scam. But seriously, those who make money in network marketing, online marketing etc, are people with a driving force of positivity. Its not easy I know. Thats why there is a thing called teamwork. These guys keep highly motivated people around them and keep motivating each other and attending seminars. I searched through blogs and videos before I joined WV. It gets simple and clearer. Those who quit obviously complained and those who didnt were working real hard. You have to take this business serious. Its really like a franchise. You shouldnt complain if a franchised fast food outlet did not fetch you enough money. That is because you did not market it well. Thats the reason for failure here. IT is a tough but very rewarding business. It is all about personal branding. If someone looks up to you, they will listen to what you have to say. If they feel that you arent transparent or sees you as a salesman trying to close them, they will shut off.

WV stands out among other Network marketing companies because you get to travel while striving to make that passive income. You dont have to work so hard till you become successful to start travelling. Besides, stop listening to others and what they are complaining about. Sit down trust yourself and get to the bottom of it to know the full story. Thats all folks... and im heading for south korea soon with travel bucks from WV and yes, im not a millionaire...yet!

-ThankGod IM Alive(TGIMA)

Team Grindkings said...

A NEW INSPIRED MEMBER REPOST!!!! I can not speak for the rest of people out there but as for me personally... I have met the people involved with World Ventures. I have made my money back and then some within two months. I have done what is needed to do in order to become successful. We tell people that this is NOT a get rich quick scheme. You have to work at it and please, this is not a PYRAMID. A true pyramid makes commission on recruiting people, WV does not. A true pyramid does not allow people below you to make as much or more than the person above. You are in control here. Best of all I work with a team of people. Once you plug in you become part of a family. No one fights for people and we take care of each other.

We do admit 70.2% did not receive any income. We say this because we don't want to give anyone a false impression. This IS a business. Don't expect to jump on board and make lots of money doing nothing. It does not work that way. Those people did not take it serious enough. If you decide to open your own business, and don't put the time into building it. Then you won't have one. This is no different. A company decides to be honest and gets shot down for it? When was the last time a company actually disclosed this information? Think about that.

Yes we do get people to show up without saying a word about what it is. WHY??? Because I won't do it justice. I can not explain it in a few sentences. If I try I will leave them with the idea that this is not what it TRULY is. When was the last time you sat with someone going over a company's business model in a few sentences. It doesn't happen. I have had people thank me for getting them there. Reps that end up joining later after someone told them too much, were not happy with the inviter for not inviting them the right way.

The "4 Phases of Growth" slide is there to show you where the company is positioned at this time. Also to demonstrate what phases a company goes through before they are successful. DO we guarantee "Momentum." NO we don't. We simply say that if we do go through the momentum, that it can be very lucrative vs. getting in at the top. Have you ever heard of getting in at the ground floor? There is no point investing in Apple stock now. You should have done that 20 years ago when no one knew who they were. In case you didn't know, Travel is an 8 Trillion dollar industry. The LARGEST in the world. Bigger than #2 Food, #3 Oil/Gas #4 Pharmaceuticals. ALL PUT TOGETHER. When you have the right product at the right time. Don't you think something good might come out of it?

Yes we do have a "BOB" slide, but it's hypothetical and never states that you WILL lose out. Simply shows how the company works, and you NEVER KNOW who will show up under you.

Contract? What contract? I can cancel any time and not pay a fee for doing so. We are not a cell phone company. If WV wanted your money they would lock you in like a cell company or a gym membership.
Most of the stuff on the app tells you your rights to cancel. What those rights are in certain states. This is like any business. It is going to protect itself from misrepresenting representatives. So if someone is doing something they are not suppose to they can be terminated and barred from representing WV in any way. Don't take my word for it. Read it yourself.

Yes Mike Azcue and other top dogs were involved with those companies. They tried to tell them how they could run it better. They didn't listen. Now they wish they had. Where are they now? If you are thinking about doing World Ventures then you need to decide for yourself. Remember that there are people out there that are not very happy with the fact that these guys are successful.

THINK for yourself. Don't believe me or any of the people out there. Do your own homework.

By the way Better Business Bureau rated WV an A- Check it for your self.

Qualified Rep said...

Hahaa you guys are great.....this original poster is bored and uneducated...so many good changes and updates so far this year alone.....many things have improved in 8 years...why would you read info. And statistics on a 1980 f150 if you wanted to purchase a 2013? Update yourselves people...come out from the Rock, get outside your bubble BC I will make a living..... living ....from what I did in the beginning! Made all my money back...don't attend all training events and still in the positive...close to making a residual income...you don't know what that is look it up! Mary Kay has pink Cadillacs, how many of those do you see today.....lol.....right. We have silver BMW and will post mine here soon when I get it!

Qualified Rep said...

Haters...hate....that's why I do so good.....they motivate me to do better...look back at this thread in 10 years....hahaa. just saying

kay rei said...

networkmarketing or mlm or private franchising or whatever you wanna call it is the future for average joe , a lot of people still don't recognize that , they still live with an 8am-4pm employee mentality , that you can't get out of their heads so fast...
for the people who do see the chance the most important thing is doing the due diligence to check out the right program , I wasted a lot of time and money until I found my program that I am comfortable with , its not World Venture , ... I tried WV but stopped because it has too many negative things going ... I found a program in the big ticket arena , its way more lucrative and rewarding , ... people just think about it , the effort you put in for marketing is and always will be the same , no matter if you have $25 payout a $47 payout , if you have to build a downline like in WV or if you have a $3000 payout ... so its just smart to go with the big ticket program ... and the opinion that people have no money for those big ticket program is just a false assumption , there are enough people who are willing to join those programs !!
if somebody is interested I am willing to give more info on that ... hekmrei at gmail

Nielsen said...

My personal opinion. I'll keep this short.
I am a WV rep as we speak. I've worked in a few other MLM companies and what I have learned is that a pyramid scheme (by law as well) is when a company recruits, but has no product or service to offer/sell and profit based on the of tacking these naive people looking to diversify their income and perhaps help their family. (I'm glass I can educate you, that's out of the way now).

World Ventures proud themselves not just on their search engines for booking hotel, flight, rental, etc., which doesn't differ much our at all from any regular free site, but, rather, they proud themselves on preset vacation packages which is truly a budget saver for singles and families. I've been on a few trips myself and since I was still skeptical, even after signing up for it, I compared it side by side with as many travel sites as I know down to every specific detail and none of them came close. Some even having a contrast of $600+.

With every MLM company you hear about or take interest in, look up the negative, like this one, but do your homework because it may not have worked for some people for many reasons, they will in turn call it a scheme/scam not knowing what the definition of it truly in.

As pointed out on a post above, World Ventures will even talk you that 70%+ of the reps don't profit from it financially, and a lot of them is because they don't want to, they will sign up just for the vacation packages while others will treat it more like a business.

Koecharles said...

It is a legitimate scam...in other words a legal scam. Look at it like a food chain. If you are lower on the food chain you eat shrubs, and if you are higher you eat barbeque. Here's my thumb rule; if you feel sth ain't right, definitely sth ain't right. Dont rush to lose your hard earned dime to someone whose job is to trap your sweat. They need you more than you need them coz they are already trapped (yet they preach financial freedom). Look at it this way, if we all quit our jobs as some 'successfuls' purportedly did, who will finance them. Who will pay the monthly subscriptions for them to book vacations in bulk? They rely on your waged/ salaried dime (which they apparently quit) but they dont tell you that. Run my son!

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Mathew Sisco said...

Let's think about this for a minute. WV has a 70% "failure" rate. Let's look at other failure rates for other pyramid schemes.

1. Amway - Average distributor makes $40/month and only 50% of employees make it to the basic level of direct distributor.

2. Excel Communications - In 1995, they admitted that 48% of all customers drop out of the program.

3. Melaleuca - They reported a 5.5% drop out rate every month, about 60% per year.

4. NuSkin - 50 to 70% dropout rate yearly.

So, World Ventures isn't a pyramid scheme huh? Think again. Schemes like this make money off of people quitting.

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juanita smith said...

If there are people that worked the system, made money, and have bank statements, or check stubs to prove it, then that's all the proof you need for any multilevel business opportunity. For those of you who are skeptics,broke, and hate your jobs, taking a risk may be what you need to do to get out of your situation. All successful people have taken some type of risk in order to be where they are today, not by complaining and murmuring but by putting a plan in action. You don't get success overnight unless you are fortunate enough to win the lottery. In other words it takes HARD work and DEDICATION in anything that you are trying to accomplish. I work for WFG. Go to www.nae2013.com and email me at juanitasmithwfg@gmail.com if interested in learning more about the financial industry.

Ochibado said...

Been reading all these comments and am very confused. can somebody please convince me with some solid truth in regards to World Venture.

DNICE1 said...

LOL this, AND you guys are funny, here's why--if ANY of you majored in Business you're familiar with "The Corporate Pyramid" if you aren't just look that up FIRST, then come back to this post. On and I've heard that WV have won awards for Best Travel Club 2013, Best Booking Engine 2013, and 2012 beating out all of your favorites Orbitz, Expedia, Hotwire, Priceline. Bottom line find a member and just GO on a trip for yourself and decide from there. If you like it, join, if not, then don't. Not everyone likes the same thing, I don't like steak but does that mean that nobody else should like it? I don't like chocolate, does that mean now you don't like it, or should STOP liking it? For me, I went on a trip first---then I joined. I did my own research NOT Google searches LOL I see complaints about Wal-Mart all the time, and McDonalds but I still go there. (smile)

Ps3YouKilldKenny said...
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Ps3YouKilldKenny said...

Most People that say World Ventures is a "Pyramid Scheme" are not dumb just uneducated on the buisness model. Those people are just so conditioned to working a regular 9-5 and doing nothing at work and receiving a "guaranteed" Pay check at the end of the week. The problem is Those people are lazy and think because they sign up that they will get paid just like at work for doing absoultley nothing! Yes our 80% of people NOT making money is because we are a Travel company! People sign up to TRAVEL! When you go to BJ's you just want to buy your products NOT refer members! The definition of a Pyramid scheme is the exchange of money for no service of product what so ever! Income is not guaranteed everything depends on your efforts, it works just like the gym; you can't expect result in a gym just by signing up and going 1 week out of the year! Wake up guys! Just think of all the people you know...... How many are lazy????? ABOUT 80% OF THEM! Trust me it works I've mad more money in this than I've invested. You just have to be willing to work! Thats it! hope this made some clarity in a few of your minds!

Visitor said...

Hello everyone,
I learned a lot from your comments.
I wonder what kind of the travel services which World Ventures provides? I found little info about travel products; instead, lost of the way of being a representative.
Thanks.

Shush Arya said...

I just got back from a WorldVentures Dreamtrip here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YicvfQZpM0c

alecashadd said...


DON'T ever VENTURE into something with this company!!!! Seriously, don't! I was entertaining the idea on 1/21/14 to join in February and before I knew it... An hour after leaving a luncheon my cc was charged $362!!! Ridiculous!!! So, I called and notified the corp office on 1/22/14 that I did not want a membership and wanted my refund. There's an entire process.... You actually have to send an email telling them you want your refund??? No, I'm just going to let you charge my card and keep my money?? As of today, 1/31/14, I have called them twice, requested my refund 4 times, emailed everyone possible including the CEO and still no refund!!!! SHADY COMPANY - BUYERS BEWARE

Leonard Jones said...

I listened to the Workd Ventures pitch last night and was intrigued when the presenter first started. Then as I listened and started discerning the information based on my travel in the past 10 years I heard how the company has signed agreements or purchased products from other travel sources. I won't mention names in fear I will get the companies wrong. The World Ventures presenter claimed they are different than a timeshare because people do not pay a large up-front sign up fee. However, the World Ventures presenter informed the listeners the company has partnered with a time share company to allow travelers the opportunity to utilize under booked timeshare locations. Bottom line, they offer the same service as a large number of internet travel companies.

If you take a look at YouTube you will find a number of videos that refute World Ventures is not a scam. Some videos go on to point out the difference between World Ventures and similar companies. Specifically, the presenters who may be World Ventures representatives highlight the difference between a pyramid structure and the World Ventures structure.

I have asked the representative in my area for a copy of the companies prospectus.

"To determine whether a company is profitable, pay attention to indicators such as sales revenue, merchandise expense, operating charges and net income. All these elements are part of an income statement, also known as a statement of profit and loss". Finances & Taxes, Financial Statements
Key Indicators on a Financial Statement That a Company is Profitable by Marquis Codjia, Demand Media
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/key-indicators-financial-statement-company-profitable-18602.html

Annonymously hate WV said...

I was a member of WV for a while and haven't made any profit. I only lost money on the monthly fee. Which if you recruit about 4 or five people your fee stops. This psychologically manipulates the mind and becomes the motivation needed to push the members to recruit more people. This is similar to pushing off your fee on another person. The person that signed me up left me out in the cold. There was no direction given. I looked at those seminars as a way for the hosts to make money. Tricking the members into thinking they need to attend those for THOUSANDS of dollars is wrong. How the hell can members actually think WV gives a damn about them?! They only care about their money. If you cant push your product, to the point where you know that a person is down to their last, and has one shot to provide for their three kids and themselves...because their money would have better use somewhere else..ITS A SCAM. OF course the people with hundreds of hundreds of TEAM MEMBERS will say its lucrative because they managed to recruit other people blindly and make them think they would be a partnership when really they benefit off of how motivated they are. I am a very motivated person and it took me a long time to join WV until a close friend played the "how can you not TRUST me card" and i felt like i was obligated because we have been friends for many years. I did not even question what it was, like I should have. So, I hope someone sees my post and TAKE HEED...DONT JOIN!!.. I hope someone sees this and realizes that they could choose another way than to waste their money on this PYRAMID SCHEME ,, how can members say its not a pyramid when clearly everyone is making money off of each other. WV is a great concept but the way they are going about it ..is awful!!

Michelle Fluech said...

Seems like a lot of different issues are being jumbled up here...let's see if we can sort some out.

WV may not be BBB accredited...but they DO have an A+ rating with the BBB. EVERY company that has ever existed has customer complaints. Seems to me that WV doesn't have nearly as many as I would expect and made every effort to satisfy the customers that did. I see this as a sign of good customer relations, not the opposite.

As for the complaint that 70% of people don't make much money...independent sales reps in the online marketing industry is actually about a 95% failure rate. Problem with having the flexibility to work when you want to is that...some people just don't. You DO actually have to work to make money.

Now let's get to the fees issue. Reps don't make money by recruiting other reps...they make money by selling the product, they get commissions on commissionable sales. Yes, a sales rep DOES have to recruit 4 people in order to have their monthly fee waived...but isn't that what you became a rep to do? And let's look at the fees associated with this venture.

In order to become a rep you have to pay the initial fee of $100 and a monthly maintenance fee of $11 (seems reasonable being as it costs money to establish and maintain your online account and develop tools and resources for you to use...it's a cost of doing business...all companies have costs.) $111 isn't a huge investment. I have shoes that cost that much. It's taking my family out for one meal to Buffalo Wild Wings. We can eat in that day, I don't mind cooking.

In order to become a DreamTrips member you pay the $200 + $55 monthly for the product itself.

While you SHOULD use the products that you are trying to sell to people...not only is it clearly stated that you DO NOT HAVE TO be a member to be a rep you don't have to be a rep to merely be a member. Your commissions are earned by selling the product ONLY...to KNOW the product, answer questions, have credibility with your customers...you should know what they are buying. That's just a no-brainer for any person who's been involved in sales.

How are you going to sell me a cell-phone if you don't even know how to turn one on?

As to the comment about terms and conditions not being given nor clearly stated...click the button in the back office & print them out...that's the first thing that I did.

As for those who object to recruiting and sales tactics being used...see also your terms and conditions. Yes, the company does suggest what is being said here...because you will have a lot more success showing someone a video presentation vs trying to talk them into something...HOWEVER...as long as your personal sales tactics are not misleading you are free to use any means which you feel comfortable with selling the product. Period. It is clearly stated in writing.

I know numerous people who have been on DreamTrips and they love it, had a great time. I was just looking at a weekend trip to Chicago (2 hours from me) at rates that you CAN'T find anywhere...I've been there without discounts...it's expensive!

If you have the right mindset and realistic expectations...I think it's a great company! If you're looking to get rich quick with no work involved or for a free ride...you're going to have problems no matter WHAT you do!

I'm not really seeing any legitimate and logical arguments against the company. I can think of several companies that leverage group bulk buying power and charge memberships, offer referral incentives, etc in the course of doing business. It's not exactly a new idea.

Michelle Fluech said...

One more thing that I can say is that if you joined WV and you truly wanted/NEEDED to make it work and you didn't have a mentor/team that supported you and taught you how...I am truly sorry for what you went through. I really am, I've been there and it's frustrating. :( The most important thing when joining any business venture is that your success is going to be greatly impacted by your support structure.

EVERYWHERE you look...on the internet and off...you see ads that people make commissions off of for getting you to buy, getting you to do some specific action, visit their site, "like" their page. We're inundated with marketing of all types at all times.

Real estate agents, travel agents, insurance agents...all sales positions that have to pay to be members and make their money based upon commissionable sales from leads they have to generate from a variety of means.

See this as one of those...where offline and online lead generations and tactics are to be utilized...it's not as difficult to grasp it in that perspective.

There is a lot of hype about "Pyramid Schemes"...and the truly shady ones are unacceptable. There's a difference in a pyramid scam and a commission and referral structure, though. A lot of brick and mortar companies utilize these in there normal course of business and we don't even think twice about it. Sometimes you just have to look outside of the social programming.

sean jackson said...

What a moron

sean jackson said...

If you think it's a good idea to try working for a company where .01% of the employees make a living wage, well then you are a complete moron. If you disagree you're also a complete moron. It's a scam you can have a REAL travel agent set up much better travel packages for you.

Zahimara Merz said...

I've had a really good friend trying to shove this down my throat for years now. There's no saying no to WV. At the time she started I was a working single mom with 2 kids to support. Finally I did my own research and not what she was telling to look up or links that she would send me. The first thing I found out is that WV is almost cult like. They turn their members into fanatics. Selling them a dream. After I educated my self on my own, I presented my findings to this friend and what I got was "I can't believe you don't trust me" . That hurt since I would trust her with the most precious things in my life. My children. This company teaches it's members to exploit relationships. Anyone with good morals and ethics would not try to take anyone's hard earned money, or play on feelings of anyone. So for anyone thinking of joining please do the research and educate your self. I mean you will have to sort through many pages since WV is very good at hiding bad or negative feed back/ publicity but please take the time before jumping head first.

Swiftness said...

The Bottom line is the product is a fraud. I've seen better rates on a regular basis. The fact that people are arguing whether it's all about the tactics involved just kinda proves the brainwashing. Why would a good business person put in work and effort to sell a false promise. I'd rather spend this time teaching them how and when to search for cheap deals on travel. World venture...dream trips.... Are false... Maybe dream hotels would be more like it. But the product is just no good.... Simple as that. I signed up after saying no a couple times. You can get your money back.... You have two weeks. But while I was investigating. It became obvious that the whole site was a waste of time. No deals. I every case I did my own booking and saved more from 300 to 500... Up to 1500 more... Why would it matter how much effort a rep puts in if the product is this fraudulent? And don't expect reimbursement when you find a deal cheaper like they say.... Itineraries need to match.... Match being key word here.... Old scheme here.... Only agencies get to book at these times and date combos... So you'll never find a complete match of itineraries..... Need a new hobby.... Find a good workout. It with pay better dividends than this joke.... And you'll make better friends lose less.

Jeremy Cohen said...

Hi my name is Jeremy from South Africa. i personally made my money back in 1 month and have made more than 3 times the profit in the following 2 months.. This business like every other business on this planet depends on the effort you put in.. 80% of new businesses fail.. Are those scams too?

This is no get rich quick scheme and results are a direct factor of effort.. keep talking smack because we gonna keep building this legacy with or without you dreamstealers

Bon Voyage

Christian P said...

Not one to comment or rant about anything. Got hold of this link from someone who I shared the WV opportunity with. I read all of the comments because I love hearing what people have to say, whether good or bad. It is amusing to read the rants and bashing from supposed unhappy "former" reps and those who were invited to view the information but "were too smart" to join. To me it seems pretty obvious who is who from their grievances'. Notice that those who made negative remarks are from people claiming to have been reps who were "duped" into thinking they would get rich. Ha, ha, these are the people who usually dupe themselves and lash out at everyone else with blame. The tendency of a "lottery mentality" with a minimum wage work ethic is likely the cause of most of the discontent with these people. One guy says, 25 years old and a million in debt. He wrote all this nonsense and never mentioned where this debt came from. Certainly not from WV, where the start up fee for product and business is a one time fee that's less than most smart phones. When you have that little investment into a business the risk is small and therefore most will have a tendency to treat this as a hobby. Another guy said some B.S. about being involved and spending $17.000 after 3 years or some lie like that. He must have gone on A LOT of trips to spend that much. Being in that long and not being able to refer 4 to have your product and business fees waives says a lot about this persons effort. Even if you don't refer anyone and pay $65 a month to maintain your websites and membership it's approximately $700 a year. However, each $1 you pay goes into a vacation "piggy bank" that you can use $650 at the end of the year to go on a trip. So, how do you lose this money? Even our trainings, which are NOT mandatory, are anywhere from $40 for a regional event to a couple of hundred bucks for an international event, not counting travel expenses. A couple of hundred bucks is actually a rip off for those giving the training, which is world-class and these guys could easily charge thousands and thousands for these motivational and training events. You are a LIAR and your statements are false. There were some great comments as well that were legitimate. People are a trip and if you are looking for something negative you will always find it no matter what you're looking for. Like those who declined to join the club already had a preconceived notion and were ready to say no regardless of what it was beforehand. One girl said something about trusting her friend with her life yet, before making this statement, said that she did NOT look at any links or credible information her FRIEND gave her but instead did her own "research" before coming to a conclusion. Seems to me like you did not trust this friend from the beginning. This is not for everyone and our motto is "fun, freedom, and fulfillment." If you are not having this as a rep then you are doing something wrong. Be a customer. How come no customers made complaints, only former reps? Bottom line, if I like pork, which I love, and I know you like a good pork sandwich as well, I will tell you where you can get the best pork if you are my friend or not. I don't care if you do or don't eat it. I've been there and know how well it's prepared and how tasty it is. If you are happy eating an inferior sandwich I will not lose any sleep if I tried to tell you. You will just have to find out for yourself.

Reality said...

People you need to be critical thinkers. Think and experience for yourself, not off other people's errors. People say bad things about companies when they make their silly mistakes. C'mon! Some of you need to read the book called "Beyond feelings".

Joshua King said...

World Ventures – Scam or Business

It has taken me a lot of random links to websites, blogs, and videos in order to fully understand what World Ventures is offering. Some say that any and all MLM’s are scams but this is not the case. There are many successful MLM’s available (check out DirectSellingNews and MLM Rankings).

Yes, you see well-known companies; Avon, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, Amway, ViSalus, Nu Skin, Tupperware, and Primerica (these are the ones I primarily knew of – you may know others). The point here is that World Ventures is on the top of these lists as well along with others you or I may not know of. This doesn’t mean they are scams but they are MLM’s – not get rich quick schemes.

My take of World Ventures:

This company has a valid business service for those who are looking for travel options. There are many travel companies to choose from but each one requires the payment in full when you are booking.

So, why did I choose World Ventures?

I like to travel and it is nice to have another travel resource in the back pocket. So, I chose World Ventures in order to join others that have the same thoughts and views. This is an opportunity to build your own business while accessing remote locations around the world.

The tiers:

Here is the breakdown from a business/traveler mind…..

1. Traveler – if you are looking for discounted traveling that allows for you to build up your travel savings account at the same time than you can sign up for just the DreamVacations membership.

2. Entrepreneur – if you want to build your own company but don’t have the support team and large amounts of capital to make it successful than you can sign up to resell the ability to sell the Traveler

3. Both – now you are in my boat; if you are looking for both an opportunity to build the travel savings account for discounted travels and you want to break free from the everyday mundane job than you can sign up to do both

I have that support team of individuals that have the entrepreneurial mindset and whom want to travel the world. Not only are they assisting me but they could assist you as well.

Scam or Business:

World Ventures is a business opportunity for those who have the passion and energy to build their own future. This is like all other personally owned businesses in that you get-out-of-it-what-you-put-into-it. 8 out of 10 businesses fail (Forbes, 2013)… it all comes down to the owners.

For additional information please email travelrevenuellc@gmail.com